Premier League v Championship

GibbosEmpire

GibbosEmpire

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All 3 teams that got promoted are struggling to make any impact in the Premier League, I think if we went up we would struggle also, Everton, Nottingham Forest, Sheff United etc just show that just throwing money at transfers doesn't solve anything, the top half of the Premier League is just so far advanced it's getting silly, I think most teams just set up to not lose, or if they do lose not to get beat by too many goals.


What's the point of getting promoted if you just come back down the next season? I'd hate to get beat by 5 or 6 goals every game. I think something has to change within English football.
 
All 3 promoted teams stayed up last season.

Brentford stayed up the season before.

Leeds the season before that.

Sheffield United and Villa the season before that.

Plenty of teams stay up and establish themselves, a very daft comment.

Brighton have went from the Championship to Europe without being relegated.
 
TeaCider said:
All 3 promoted teams stayed up last season.

Brentford stayed up the season before.

Leeds the season before that.

Sheffield United and Villa the season before that.

Plenty of teams stay up and establish themselves, a very daft comment.

Brighton have went from the Championship to Europe without being relegated.
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It's not a daft comment at all, Sheff Utd and Luton are definitely going down, and they all have struggled.
 
GibbosEmpire said:
Do you not think the gap between championship and Premier league is bigger than ever?
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In terms of finances, sure.

In terms of quality, not particularly.

Promoted teams are obviously normally going to struggle compared to established teams, it happens in every league in the world.
Luton and Sheffield United were promoted whilst playing attritional football, and Luton's squad hugely overachieved even getting promoted, I always expected them to struggle against better teams.
I think Sheffield United might improve when Heckingbottom is sacked.

I'm slightly surprised that Burnley have started poorly, but they've also played 3 of the big 6 and one of the form teams of the last year in Aston Villa.
 
Looking embarrassing. All 3 teams have only 1 point each from 5 or 6 games. Luckily we're still in the championship sitting pretty with, "checks"...

1 point from our 1st 6 games.
 
Still astounds me that Luton squad made it to the PL. Their squad, even after their transfers this window, is shambolic for the PL.

Sheff Utd have had their core ripped out - Tommy Doyle, Ndiaye, Berge, all left, for one reason or another, and they've replaced them with Championship players.

Then Burnley were promoted due to a good core of loans, Maatsen/Tella/Harwood-Bellis and have also had to contend with a huge overall of both incomings & outgoings.

The likes of Wolves/Bournemouth/Everton can find themselves fortunate because normally there's at least 1 very decent promoted team who are more than capable of holding their own, whereas this season, the 3 that's gone up look likely to come straight back down.

I actually think if we got promoted, we'd have signed Archer, Giles, Ramsey (may have even kept Chuba? but doubtful with Ajax coming in) and hopefully 1 or 2 others, and we'd have gave it a better crack of the whip. It would still have been incredibly difficult to stay up, but looking at Luton & Sheff Utd, I think we'd have stood a better chance than they currently are doing.
 
TeaCider said:
In terms of finances, sure.

In terms of quality, not particularly.

Promoted teams are obviously normally going to struggle compared to established teams, it happens in every league in the world.
Luton and Sheffield United were promoted whilst playing attritional football, and Luton's squad hugely overachieved even getting promoted, I always expected them to struggle against better teams.
I think Sheffield United might improve when Heckingbottom is sacked.

I'm slightly surprised that Burnley have started poorly, but they've also played 3 of the big 6 and one of the form teams of the last year in Aston Villa.
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This exactly.

Luton overachieved just to get up there; they have a couple of stand out players, nothing more, even in the champo. They clogged their way up, you can't survive against Prem opposition if that's all you have.

Sheffield United have a better squad on paper, good enough to get promoted and be 50/50 to survive or not...but with a fairly crap manager. The fact they went up last year was in a lot of ways in spite of him. Again, that gets found out in the Prem.

FWIW I think Burnley will survive.
 
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Agree with most the comments, Sheff Utd have an average squad with a very poor manager who’s out of his depth.

Luton’s squad would be poor even for the championship, didn’t invest a lot in the summer and likely to go down and probably not go back up.
 
Ipad1977 said:
This exactly.

Luton overactive just to get up there; they have a couple of stand out players, nothing more, even in the champo. They clogged their way up, you can't survive against Prem opposition if that's all you have.

Sheffield United have a better squad on paper, good enough to get promoted and be 50/50 to survive or not...but with a fairly crap manager. The fact they went up last year was in a lot of ways in spite of him. Again, that gets found out in the Prem.

FWIW I think Burnley will survive.
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I do too, they'll probably lose to Newcastle, though I hope not, but I fully expect them to get their first win against Luton and started picking up points from there.

They were unlucky not to beat Nottingham Forest, and they've had some tough opening fixtures.
 
1) Burnley went up but had loan players like us. Their best player last year, on loan from Burnley, Nathan Tella (17 goals) went back to Southampton who then sold him to Bayer Leverkusen. They have bought Trafford, Ramsey, Berge, Amdouni and Beyer. They have played Man City, Spurs and Villa so a tough start. They will probably stay up.

2) Sheffield United went up but sold Ndiaye and Berge, two of their top players as their owner wants to get rid of the club. They will go down.

3) Luton scraped up and are using the money to improve their ground. They have just bought Championship level players. They will go down.
 
It would be interesting to see what the life expectancy of a promoted club entering the premier league is like now compared to 30, 20, 10 years ago.

I bet it is going down despite the likes of Brentford and Brighton doing ok for a couple of seasons. They are all just one bad season away from the drop as proved recently by teams like Burnley and Leicester who we thought had got themselves bedded in.

It‘s all about money and even those with a lot of money are not finding it easy.

I think the current premier league bottom three are down already.
 
HolgateCorner said:
It would be interesting to see what the life expectancy of a promoted club entering the premier league is like now compared to 30, 20, 10 years ago.

I bet it is going down despite the likes of Brentford and Brighton doing ok for a couple of seasons. They are all just one bad season away from the drop as proved recently by teams like Burnley and Leicester who we thought had got themselves bedded in.

It‘s all about money and even those with a lot of money are not finding it easy.

I think the current premier league bottom three are down already.
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Anyone outside the top 7 or so is only one bad season away from relegation. But thats always been the case id say. I think its also always been the case that plenty of promoted clubs go down. Im not sure much has changed in that respect. What has changed is the gap to the elite financially is just impossible to bridge
 
GibbosEmpire said:
All 3 teams that got promoted are struggling to make any impact in the Premier League, I think if we went up we would struggle also, Everton, Nottingham Forest, Sheff United etc just show that just throwing money at transfers doesn't solve anything, the top half of the Premier League is just so far advanced it's getting silly, I think most teams just set up to not lose, or if they do lose not to get beat by too many goals.


What's the point of getting promoted if you just come back down the next season? I'd hate to get beat by 5 or 6 goals every game. I think something has to change within English football.
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If we went up we would not be Burnley, Sheff Utd or Luton.. we’d handle recruitment in our own way. The premier league is tough but it’s not a given that we would fail..

The opportunity to find out is what we’re after. No teams are getting beat 5 or 6 every game and I think the point is.. money.

It keeps us afloat, keep us going allows us the opportunity to improve and hopefully progress.

The stand still is to move backwards.
 
It's kind of a charm, the difference between level.
Especially when that level generates huge revenue increases.
Team managers can build a reputation. If they can be promoted with mediocre players.
Like Rob Edwards do with Luton town.
 
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