Listen to yourself. The man called for peace for all sides and you think he should watch what he says? What kind of world are we living in where those who seek a peaceful solution are demonised and those who reject ceasefire are the heroes? And this will never change with Starmer as PM.But they do, and it makes Labour look divided on policy, so McDonald needs to be more careful what he says.
Don’t you think Labour politicians should concentrate more on what happens in this country, you know, something they can actually influence if they get into power rather than be a talking shop for a conflict overseas?It is laying out your beliefs before the people, which is honest and furthers the debate, as opposed to hiding your beliefs through fear.
Very few people see what happens in HoC debates but people want to know what their politicians are made of.
Labour should have the antiSemitism argument, not be cowed into silence and bullied into changing their stance.
Labour councillors up and down the country are leaving the party or being signatories to letters calling for Starmer to back a ceasefire. He has really handled this badly and is out of kilter with most of his party.
All politicians have to be disciplined, it’s just the way it is, they are high profile.Listen to yourself. The man called for peace for all sides and you think he should watch what he says? What kind of world are we living in where those who seek a peaceful solution are demonised and those who reject ceasefire are the heroes? And this will never change with Starmer as PM.
Perhaps Starmer should be more careful who he accepts funding from; that would help his cause.
You could say that about all politicians; they should all concentrate on what is happening in their constituencies but that's not where their job ends and they are quite capable of holding one thought at a time. What real world are you describing where political figures are cowed into hiding their beliefs out of sheer cowardice or the fear of being attacked by their opponents? If a politician doesn't like opposition then they are in the wrong job.Don’t you think Labour politicians should concentrate more on what happens in this country, you know, something they can actually influence if they get into power rather than be a talking shop for a conflict overseas?
I have no doubt from what I have read that McDonald was promoting peace in Gaza but the right wingers are too manipulative to miss out on an opportunity to embarrass Starmer. Labour politicians need to live in the real world and stop being naive.
VAR has confirmed that he said it at a peace rally where his words would be heard.Nothing wrong with calling for peace but it’s where you do it and how you say it that matter, he has been caught offside.
Unfortunately I do think I am describing the unfortunate world we live in where the VAR decision can still be argued against by those who don’t like the outcome. It’s not a great world just now.You could say that about all politicians; they should all concentrate on what is happening in their constituencies but that's not where their job ends and they are quite capable of holding one thought at a time. What real world are you describing where political figures are cowed into hiding their beliefs out of sheer cowardice or the fear of being attacked by their opponents? If a politician doesn't like opposition then they are in the wrong job.
VAR has confirmed that he said it at a peace rally where his words would be heard.
That's my Labour membership cancelled
Don’t you think Labour politicians should concentrate more on what happens in this country, you know, something they can actually influence if they get into power rather than be a talking shop for a conflict overseas?
I have no doubt from what I have read that McDonald was promoting peace in Gaza but the right wingers are too manipulative to miss out on an opportunity to embarrass Starmer. Labour politicians need to live in the real world and stop being naive.
Just cancelled mine. I've told them why. It will be interesting to see f I get a response.
Then that's where we differ because I don't think it's unfortunate that people can debate what they think is right or wrong.Unfortunately I do think I am describing the unfortunate world we live in where the VAR decision can still be argued against by those who don’t like the outcome.
Nope. Not under Starmer the Red Tory - never will be.Calling for peace / ceasefire should be Labours MO surely ??
He didn't say these words as quoted in the OP which is often quoted in pro Pal chants. He said until all people Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the sea, can live in peace and liberty.From the river to the sea
He didn't use it as you quoted.He was unwise to use that phrase, even though he specifically gave it a different meaning.
I see where you are coming from but I think you are wrong, the right wing and mainstream media backed by global right wing billionaires are looking to seize on anything which can make Labour look divided and conflicted simply because they want the Tories to remain in power for their own purposes.Weak ground for Starmer's Labour. They've got Austerity 2: Austerity Harder lined up for domestic politics.
This isn't about Starmer trying to avoid being embarrassed by any right wingers external to Labour. It's about the right wingers inside of Labour using everything they can to drag the party further and further to the right.
He’s not just ‘people’ though, he is a senior Labour politician, he should know better despite all the bleating I’ve read on here.Then that's where we differ because I don't think it's unfortunate that people can debate what they think is right or wrong.