Villa bid for Morgan Rogers

B_G said:
What the hell is that stat?

Expected Open Play Assist + Expected Open Play Goal - Expected Assist received

I can't get my head round what that is giving you
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It's (non-penalty xG + xA) – xA received

It's leveling the playing field to determine "offensive value" of the player and not just xG + xA as standalones - so it essentially gives less weight to strikers who score tap-ins or goals where they receive the ball over the top or from a through-ball, and more weight to offensively minded players who assist/create goals from open play.
 
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Angelofayresome said:
Not sure we are willing to sell him, but if the price is right the lad will go unfortunately, I had the opinion early on his passing was off and let the ball roll a few more strides on front of him when running with it, he seems to glide across the pitch and has been the standout player up top this season. Credit goes to the scouts for bringing him in but unfortunately we do the same thing and pick the best players from other sides in our division. Seems like a decent lad also.
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Where have we done this though? At least enough for it to be some kind of pattern or thing we make a point of doing? The only player signed from another Championship club this season was Dieng, Last season there was Barlaser, while Lenihan and Smith were leaving Blackburn and Stoke on frees regardless of whether they joined us or not. We're not really in a position to regularly be able to sign the best players from other Championship clubs.
 
B_G said:
What the hell is that stat?

Expected Open Play Assist + Expected Open Play Goal - Expected Assist received

I can't get my head round what that is giving you
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Looks to me like EOPA is a metric that shows that a player is responsible for creating good chances for players (from open play) and EOPG is a metric that shows that a player is good at getting themselves in good positions to score goals. A minus for EAR is probably so you don't get too much credit for scoring tap-ins or an indication that you are doing something after receiving the ball to increase the xG i.e creating chances for yourself.
 
PLAYERS AGED 22 AND UNDER SHOT CREATING ACTIONS (PER 90) IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
Crysencio Summerville (Leeds) - 6.81
Morgan Rogers (Boro) - 4.95
Yaser Asprilla (Watford) - 4.87
Jaden Philogene (Hull) - 4.85
Georginio Rutter (Leeds) - 4.46

PLAYERS AGED 22 AND UNDER GOAL CREATING ACTIONS (PER 90) IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
Georginio Rutter (Leeds) - 0.75
Abdul Fatawu (Leicester) - 0.73
Amad Diallo (Sunderland) - 0.70
Morgan Rogers (Boro) - 0.59
Omari Hutchinson (Ipswich) and Tommy Doyle (Sheffield Utd) - 0.58
 
For me the main thing is we cannot sell now.
He could be an integral part of our chances of winning a Cup or getting promoted. refuse to sell and if he wants a move he will need to keep his level of progression until end of the season. Maybe by that time we are in the PL and maybe in Europe. We could be in the Championship. Either way he should still be of interest to Villa
 
newyddion said:
It feels a bit like Azaz was brought in as a replacement for Rogers..
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Much more likely that he was brought in as a replacement for McGree. You can see the club working towards a production line model since Scott started.
Tav > McGree > Azaz
McNair > RvDB
Howson > Barlaser (just about getting there)

At the same time we have been recovering from filling too many places with loans by looking for multiple options to replace them.
CF: [Mystery missed target] + Latte lath
LB: Engel + Bangura
#10: Rogers + Greenwood
GK: Dieng + backups

Pretty sure we are looking to keep the players who succeed for 2 seasons so that we can sell at their peak. Not 6 months.

Unexpected factors aside, I expect to say goodbye to McGree, McNair, Dijksteel, Howson and possibly Crooks this summer. Apart from Dijksteel, they have ready made replacements in place.
 
Jonathan said:
Where have we done this though? At least enough for it to be some kind of pattern or thing we make a point of doing? The only player signed from another Championship club this season was Dieng, Last season there was Barlaser, while Lenihan and Smith were leaving Blackburn and Stoke on frees regardless of whether they joined us or not. We're not really in a position to regularly be able to sign the best players from other Championship clubs.
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Not on about this season in general but in the past but brought in the best players from those sides Crooks Clayton Leadbitter Morsy etc.
 
Bruce said:
Much more likely that he was brought in as a replacement for McGree. You can see the club working towards a production line model since Scott started.
Tav > McGree > Azaz
McNair > RvDB
Howson > Barlaser (just about getting there)

At the same time we have been recovering from filling too many places with loans by looking for multiple options to replace them.
CF: [Mystery missed target] + Latte lath
LB: Engel + Bangura
#10: Rogers + Greenwood
GK: Dieng + backups

Pretty sure we are looking to keep the players who succeed for 2 seasons so that we can sell at their peak. Not 6 months.

Unexpected factors aside, I expect to say goodbye to McGree, McNair, Dijksteel, Howson and possibly Crooks this summer. Apart from Dijksteel, they have ready made replacements in place.
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Everyone has a plan until £15m shows up at the front door! I hope we can keep hold of Rogers. We have the makings of a decent premier league core.. 2nd/3rd place in the prem comes calling tho.. no chance
 
Andythetouch said:
Can't believe some of the comments on this thread about Rogers.

If he was at another championship club and we were looking at signing him, people would look at his stats and highlight reel and be buzzing with idea of him joining.

Instead because he's our players he's lucky to be even starting games and wouldn't be playing if it were for injuries. got to laugh.

Be gutted if he goes but if does hopefully we get a good deal and reinvest well.
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The magority of Rogers stats are from lower league opponents in the league cup. He still has alot of development to do and has only really been starting due to our injury crisis. He has alot of promise same as Sammy Silvera but they need to be well coached, trained and get playing time to develop for the level Villa are. Going to Villa is like running before you can walk
 
Angelofayresome said:
Not on about this season in general but in the past but brought in the best players from those sides Crooks Clayton Leadbitter Morsy etc.
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Pinching players that have been on loan at champo sides too! McGree, Azaz.. to some extent the lians from last season.

Proven low risk championship players with huge potential.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
Would anybody complain at a deal such as £10m + loan back to us for the rest of the season?

There's some quality players further down the league we could potentially use the money on like Chair from QPR.
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Maybe they will compromise
£7m &
Tim Oroegbunam CM
and Courtney Hause LCH .
Both would boost our squad and leave cash for a CF . Win win
 
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