Still booing the taking the knee

Politics does come in to sport. I don't particularly like that, but it always has and it always will.

Surely booing the knee is itself a political action though? If you really didn't want politics to come into sport, you'd endure your 3 seconds of hardship in stoical silence. Instead, the booing makes it a bigger issue, and I wonder why anyone makes the effort if they don't want to get political on a Saturday afternoon.

Whether this is the message intended by booing or not, the message received is that those doing it actively oppose racial equality. You might tell me you don't care what I think you mean. If that's true, why bother sending any message at all?
Great post. This thread's a monster and I may even have commented on it somewhere. The key point it seems to me is that football is a highly diverse sport and seen to be. As such, even though your black teammates are likewise worshipped from the terraces, it must be painfully apparent to footballers that their friends (and people who look like their friends) are still victims of racism both institutional and unconscious every day of their lives. They are in a position to make a gesture pointing this out that will be seen by the people who look up to them - especially young people - and they feel like making it because they believe they can influence those people to think about the ongoing racism that surrounds them. That's why it is a real shame the Boro players have been effectively scared off making it because the culture warriors got the upper hand for a while on Teesside, shaming Boro fans most notably in the England warm-up games before the Euros. Don't p*ss off our racist fans - who are we. Millwall?

To quote Kevin Keegan, I would absolutely love it if Boro players started taking the knee again, all of them, en masse, and faced down the boo boys.
 
Great post. This thread's a monster and I may even have commented on it somewhere. The key point it seems to me is that football is a highly diverse sport and seen to be. As such, even though your black teammates are likewise worshipped from the terraces, it must be painfully apparent to footballers that their friends (and people who look like their friends) are still victims of racism both institutional and unconscious every day of their lives. They are in a position to make a gesture pointing this out that will be seen by the people who look up to them - especially young people - and they feel like making it because they believe they can influence those people to think about the ongoing racism that surrounds them. That's why it is a real shame the Boro players have been effectively scared off making it because the culture warriors got the upper hand for a while on Teesside, shaming Boro fans most notably in the England warm-up games before the Euros. Don't p*ss off our racist fans - who are we. Millwall?

To quote Kevin Keegan, I would absolutely love it if Boro players started taking the knee again, all of them, en masse, and faced down the boo boys.
Great post - but if this is the perception it may not be true. In the lockdown match v Bournemouth the 1000 Boro fans applauded as one the taking of the knee. There was complete support. The booing at the England matches was initiated by a group of hardcore England fans that judging by the accents in their subsequent chants were far from local in origin. If that planted a seed it almost certainly came from outside rather than inside Teesside.
 
Great post - but if this is the perception it may not be true. In the lockdown match v Bournemouth the 1000 Boro fans applauded as one the taking of the knee. There was complete support. The booing at the England matches was initiated by a group of hardcore England fans that judging by the accents in their subsequent chants were far from local in origin. If that planted a seed it almost certainly came from outside rather than inside Teesside.
No offence intended here but I do think this is a bit of a blind spot for you.
 
No offence intended here but I do think this is a bit of a blind spot for you.
I was sitting next to the people that started booing at the first England game, I saw and heard who was doing it.
But am under no illusions it is Boro fans booing the taking of the knee home and away. I have confronted a couple in my time. They didn't have much to say for themselves. But then again I don't think me confronting them changed their minds either. Some are definitely racist, others have had their minds and voices hoodwinked by racists.
Every time they boo it makes it easier and more acceptable to be racist. That is the way I see and hear it.
 
I was sitting next to the people that started booing at the first England game, I saw and heard who was doing it.
But am under no illusions it is Boro fans booing the taking of the knee home and away. I have confronted a couple in my time. They didn't have much to say for themselves. But then again I don't think me confronting them changed their minds either. Some are definitely racist, others have had their minds and voices hoodwinked by racists.
Every time they boo it makes it easier and more acceptable to be racist. That is the way I see and hear it.
Hmm not just that. Being so close to the club I guess. Aligning ourselves with the likes of Milwall in the ‘good work’ they do off the pitch. Not taking anything away from the good work MFC Foundation does.. but the anti racist message to fans is not visable.. the message is lost in Riverside by Side and MyShirt etc..

In reality.. nothing has been done since we chose to stop taking the knee.. THAT space
created has allowed give an undesirable voice to be heard much loader than it was before.. it almost feels justified by the club.
 
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I don’t think the club have helped though with our mixed messages as we all know about our don’t take the knee policy.

Yes I know why but that player left along time ago so now it just looks a bit clunky and I don’t think it helps the crowd situation either.
It was a stupid decision, apparently led by a stupid player who was bizarrely our captain at the time.

I don't doubt he thought the reasons were good, but if your reasons are "it's a hollow gesture, we need to do more" then you have to follow it up by doing more, otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Happy to be corrected but as far as I can see Assombalonga has done the square root of **** all on the issue since. His decision has further emboldened the racists though, so hats off for that.
 
It was a stupid decision, apparently led by a stupid player who was bizarrely our captain at the time.

I don't doubt he thought the reasons were good, but if your reasons are "it's a hollow gesture, we need to do more" then you have to follow it up by doing more, otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Happy to be corrected but as far as I can see Assombalonga has done the square root of **** all on the issue since. His decision has further emboldened the racists though, so hats off for that.
It definitely needs addressing. He's been gone for what, getting on for 3 years now ?
 
It's easy as late 20s to 65 + white adult male to turn a blind eye to the booing for 5 seconds.

How on earth do I explain the booing to a recent fostered, mixed race teen ?

As it is, I ain't taking her ..

@fmttmadmin it's a real problem, and any voice to the club would be useful
I hope the club gets to see this post, and personally I hope that our players start taking the knee again
See if the racists choose to boo our own players
The incident at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday shows that some now feel emboldened to use that awful racist behaviour
Everyone - and everyone bringing family and friends - should feel comfortable at our ground (and other ones) and not feel a section of those attending don't want that
 
It's easy as late 20s to 65 + white adult male to turn a blind eye to the booing for 5 seconds.

How on earth do I explain the booing to a recent fostered, mixed race teen ?

As it is, I ain't taking her ..

@fmttmadmin it's a real problem, and any voice to the club would be useful
This has been been brought up many times before.. not just in this nearly nearly year long thread.

Unfortunately the issue of racism and being visible in an anti racist stance is a huge blind spot for the club.

You think that the powers that be have not heard the booing? You think that they are unaware of the increase of racist comments online? The increase of racist incidents at matches?
 
It definitely needs addressing. He's been gone for what, getting on for 3 years now ?
It needs addressing by the players though, particularly the players of colour. If the current cohort have a different view they should be fully supported by the club in changing the practice. This should not be driven by a load of middle aged white blokes deciding that they know best though.
 
It needs addressing by the players though, particularly the players of colour. If the current cohort have a different view they should be fully supported by the club in changing the practice. This should not be driven by a load of middle aged white blokes deciding that they know best though.
I 100% think that it should be driven by middle aged white blokes.

Can you imagine having any other crime having to be policed or prevented by the victims?
 
It shouldn't just be driven by “players of colour”. It should be driven by all our players, because abuse of one player represents abuse of all. They support each other, and we should support our players. It's not just a single issue, and those who separate it as if in a vacuum are the racists. Any Boro fans who don't approve of the players taking the knee to highlight racism, need to go face to face with those Boro players of "colour" and tell them why you dont think they should do it!

Go on!

Isaiah Jones
Morgan Rogers
Emanuel Latte-Lath
Seny Dieng
Anfernee Dijksteel
Alex Bangura
Sam silvera
Bryant Bilongo
George Gitau
Alfonso Lindo
Terrell Agyemang
Yacou Traore
Pharrell Willis
Daniel Nkrumah
Prince Acheampong
George Grant
Judah Tawiah
Addis Dore
Amazing Kiasungua
Noah Muwana
Rio Patterson-Powell

Go on! Tell them all to “SHUT UP” and accept abuse from twits on the terraces.
Tell them it's just “BANTER” and they are “snowflakes”.
Or tell them to get out of the game if they won't accept racist scum in football.
Don't accept it's an issue which affects everyone.
Or perhaps you should foxtrot oscar and go amuse yourself, away from our club.
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It shouldn't just be driven by “players of colour”. It should be driven by all our players, because abuse of one player represents abuse of all. They support each other, and we should support our players. It's not just a single issue, and those who separate it as if in a vacuum are the racists. Any Boro fans who don't approve of the players taking the knee to highlight racism, need to go face to face with those Boro players of "colour" and tell them why you dont think they should do it!

Go on!

Isaiah Jones
Morgan Rogers
Emanuel Latte-Lath
Seny Dieng
Anfernee Dijksteel
Alex Bangura
Sam silvera
Bryant Bilongo
George Gitau
Alfonso Lindo
Terrell Agyemang
Yacou Traore
Pharrell Willis
Daniel Nkrumah
Prince Acheampong
George Grant
Judah Tawiah
Addis Dore
Amazing Kiasungua
Noah Muwana
Rio Patterson-Powell

Go on! Tell them all to “SHUT UP” and accept abuse from twits on the terraces.
Tell them it's just “BANTER” and they are “snowflakes”.
Or tell them to get out of the game if they won't accept racist scum in football.
Don't accept it's an issue which affects everyone.
Or perhaps you should foxtrot oscar and go amuse yourself, away from our club.
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I mean I get the point.. but do you not find 'players of colour' 'people of colour' a bit weird.. I get the point and I understand that you are against racism in principle.

People of colour sounds to me a bit like 'othering' I get people are different and everyone is unique. but the idea that a person is of colour I find ridiculous. I have a colour.. so then am I not a person of colour? You see what I mean? There are many legitimate and well founded elements that are entwined into our club that share anti racist imagery and messages.. for me they are vital tools in becoming more visible with our anti racist stance. Lots of very subtle messages are creeping into our club and fan base that we do not want to be associated with. Some are well meaning.. but are not progressive. Some are ignorant and damaging without intention.

At the same time there are some very strong messages that are not being promoted or celebrated.
 
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