Still booing the taking the knee

Agreed.

By not joining in this gesture, I believe some have (willfully or otherwise) misunderstood that Boro actively oppose the taking of the knee. This has created an excuse for racists. Joining in would at least close that excuse.

I also agree with the point that Boro are not responsible for racism in wider society, but that is no excuse for doing nothing. Influence what you can influence, and they definitely can influence what happens inside their own stadium.
Another great post, FH. as it stands now, Boro players are seen as opposing an anti-racist gesture and opposition players who take the knee will be even more heartily booed because 'we' don't.

The point that people don't understand what they're booing - that they think they're supporting the idea that 'all lives matter' - is irrelevant. The position that 'all lives matter' is based on an erroneous understanding itself;:that standing up for equal rights implies fewer rights for the privileged group, is somehow subtracting rights from elsewhere. No, it means (equal) human rights for all. We're not obliged to give equal credibility to notions that are not only morally wrong but untrue, nor are we doing anyone any favours giving people a free pass to wallow in their ignorance just because they have trouble understanding.
Eventually, just as open racism became beyond the pale for the vast majority, so booing the taking of the knee ought to become beyond the pale. That it hasn't yet become so on Teesside is the reason why Boro should go back to taking the knee and keep on with it.
 
I don't think there's much chance at all of the club restarting it.

The vast majority of clubs in England have stopped taking it, it's even only done on set occasions in the Premier League now, there's absolutely no way that the club would them opt to start taking it after a 3 and a half year period of not doing so, especially not when the justification for restarting it would be that some of their own fans are racists and they know that it would just end up with the racists showing the club up every home match.

Rotherham are one of the first teams in a while to actually take it at our match.
 
Another great post, FH. as it stands now, Boro players are seen as opposing an anti-racist gesture and opposition players who take the knee will be even more heartily booed because 'we' don't.
no that is not the case at all.. our players are not seen as opposing an anti-racist gesture.. our club was tho.. and now we have this panto shyte
The point that people don't understand what they're booing - that they think they're supporting the idea that 'all lives matter' - is irrelevant. The position that 'all lives matter' is based on an erroneous understanding itself;:that standing up for equal rights implies fewer rights for the privileged group, is somehow subtracting rights from elsewhere. No, it means (equal) human rights for all. We're not obliged to give equal credibility to notions that are not only morally wrong but untrue, nor are we doing anyone any favours giving people a free pass to wallow in their ignorance just because they have trouble understanding.
some narrative to get over at a football match
Eventually, just as open racism became beyond the pale for the vast majority, so booing the taking of the knee ought to become beyond the pale. That it hasn't yet become so on Teesside is the reason why Boro should go back to taking the knee and keep on with it.
pointless doing some half arsed empty gesture.. why don't we start wearing sweater shop jumpers.. and we can all grow our hair into curtains.. for Yugoslavia!
 
no that is not the case at all.. our players are not seen as opposing an anti-racist gesture.. our club was tho.. and now we have this panto shyte

some narrative to get over at a football match

pointless doing some half arsed empty gesture.. why don't we start wearing sweater shop jumpers.. and we can all grow our hair into curtains.. for Yugoslavia!
Starting it again is making a statement. Then explaining why is clearly stating what it's about
Those are things that can be done fairly quickly, while other things you seem to be wanting are looked into

What is it you are actually saying should and could be done immediately?
I agree with your hopes for the future, but some things can be done quickly
Looking into longer term things can take time - surely a start could be made now
 
Starting it again is making a statement. Then explaining why is clearly stating what it's about
Those are things that can be done fairly quickly, while other things you seem to be wanting are looked into

What is it you are actually saying should and could be done immediately?
I agree with your hopes for the future, but some things can be done quickly
Looking into longer term things can take time - surely a start could be made now
A kick racism out warm up shirt for starters.

Dead easy.. stick it in the club shop.

Kick racism out is genuinely recognised and accepted in British football.

The current warm up shirt is totally shan.. change it out.

Cooler warm up shirt.. increased visibility.. and probably make a few quid off the shirts.

Taking the knee feels like a dead duck.. dropping it and then three years later explaining what it’s all about?

If any thing is going to be explained it should be in the context of Middlesbrough Football club.
 
A kick racism out warm up shirt for starters.

Dead easy.. stick it in the club shop.

Kick racism out is genuinely recognised and accepted in British football.

The current warm up shirt is totally shan.. change it out.

Cooler warm up shirt.. increased visibility.. and probably make a few quid off the shirts.

Taking the knee feels like a dead duck.. dropping it and then three years later explaining what it’s all about?

If any thing is going to be explained it should be in the context of Middlesbrough Football club.
Kick It Out

Or

ShowRacismTheRedCard - based in the north east.
 
Start again. Stopping it has seemingly made things worse. Double down on it as someone said. See if the boo-ers boo their own players
Sometimes you can't start again. No point fixating on something that has already been and gone. We took a different path and now we need to find a situation that works for us.

We are so far behind the times.. what next 'FREE NELSON MANDELA' ??
 
It's seemingly not recognised by those who boo. The offensive gesture by the Sheff Wed 'fan' on Saturday shows that racism is fully active
'those who boo' - at the moment those folks are controlling the narrative and it's not working for anybody. I am aware that racism is fully active.. hence my responses in this thread.

"Take the knee, take the knee, why don't you just take the knee.. we need to get them to take the knee.. why wont they take the knee"

A white guy (I'm assuming) ordering our black players to make an anti racist gesture. Does anyone else not see that as a little problematic?

"Lets get our persons of colour to make videos" - again.. problematic

"Racism is Violence" - FFS - Racism is Ignorance and there is a whole ton of it on here by well meaning individuals. Just as it is ignorant to boo.. so to is it to demand our players take the knee.. so to is the 'Persons of Colour' - very itchy trigger fingers and folks very sure about their intentions and that their opinions are 100% factual.

Every fans wants the best for their club and that is what I want. 100% and there are some very simple things we could do that.

Its a big issue.. but no different to when folks have opinions on the line up or on transfers or how to make the concourse bars bearable at halftime! Pre pours.. pre pours ffs lol
 
Sometimes you can't start again. No point fixating on something that has already been and gone. We took a different path and now we need to find a situation that works for us.

We are so far behind the times.. what next 'FREE NELSON MANDELA' ??
The t shirts have been worn before too
Mandela was freed - so that worked
 
The t shirts have been worn before too
Mandela was freed - so that worked
but the t-shirts have been stopped.. yet no one complained. I don't remember warm up shirts with kick it out being available in the club shop.

fixating on the taking the knee thing.. like that is the only solution.. there is no other way no stop racism.. which is booing.. which is violence.
 
The “booing” from some is justified by racists on the following line:

Taking the knee
= supporting Black Lives Matter, not anti-racism
Black Lives Matter are Marxists who discriminate against white people.
Therefore, taking the knee is anti-white and extremist.

It's ballax of course!

It's a gesture which says racism in football isn't acceptable.
Plain and simple. (y)
 
The “booing” from some is justified by racists on the following line:

Taking the knee = supporting Black Lives Matter, not anti-racism
Black Lives Matter are Marxists who discriminate against white people.
Therefore, taking the knee is anti-white and extremist.

It's ballax of course!

It's a gesture which says racism in football isn't acceptable.
Plain and simple. (y)
don't even think there is that much thought given.

Taking the knee = we don't do it
 
I`m not talking about our club.
I`m talking about how racists twist the truth to justify their unjustifiable response.
Middlesbrough Football Club Message Board innit tho

Racists twist the truth to justify their unreasonable response? Not just racists.. lying racists! Ooh eck.. it gets worse! What about racists that don't try to justify themselves?

an unjustifiable response is very subjective.

depends how you measure it.. if your meaning a response by your own parameters.. then you are falling into very dangerous territory. DO AS I SAY.. REGARDLESS

no discussion, no understanding, no learning.. just do it.. or else!
 
Middlesbrough Football Club Message Board innit tho

Racists twist the truth to justify their unreasonable response? Not just racists.. lying racists! Ooh eck.. it gets worse! What about racists that don't try to justify themselves?

an unjustifiable response is very subjective.

depends how you measure it.. if your meaning a response by your own parameters.. then you are falling into very dangerous territory. DO AS I SAY.. REGARDLESS

no discussion, no understanding, no learning.. just do it.. or else!
Don't try to be clever.
Racism is violence.
How people deal with it is up to them.
 
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