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Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Exactly, these people do not choose to be/live like this, they are a symptom of a broken system.

What I think needs to happen is first of all raise benefits to give the unemployable (and I don't think we should kid ourselves that there aren't lots of unemployable people out there) a respectable standard of living whilst at the same time investing money into education so that the young people living there now have a chance to break the cycle.

Problem is it would take 20 years or so to show results and so will not happen under the current system of 5 year cycles and under the current far right dominated press that we are living with.
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Raise disability benefits yes, unemployment benefits shouldn’t go up or people just loose the incentive to work
The only route out of poverty for most people is through solid employment and they should always be the end goal for someone able to work.
Unfortunately with our current education system it’s so easy to see why people leave with nothing, then decent work becomes almost impossible
 
JM14 said:
It’s a bit insulting to state that deprivation causes people to behave in that kind of way. Vast majority in poverty wouldn’t dream of acting in that kind of way
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But it does and that's a hard fact.

Not everyone of course, but more people and more frequently, in addition to other consequences and Teesside is an area that has been neglected for decades.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
But it does and that's a hard fact.

Not everyone of course, but more people and more frequently, in addition to other consequences and Teesside is an area that has been neglected for decades.
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Clearly no statistics to back this up, but it is a small minority who behave in that way. The vast majority of people in that position are clearly good people who would never behave in that way
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
But it does and that's a hard fact.

Not everyone of course, but more people and more frequently, in addition to other consequences and Teesside is an area that has been neglected for decades.
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Exactly right multi generational poverty on Teesside has left some kids with absolutely no positive influences or role models they don't know any other way to behave.
 
JM14 said:
It’s a bit insulting to state that deprivation causes people to behave in that kind of way. Vast majority in poverty wouldn’t dream of acting in that kind of way
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Poverty has no morality, only immorality.
I haven't said that deprivation means everyone reacts in the same way.
The effects of deprivation are more subtle than that and persist over longer periods of time.
It's a fact that poverty directly affects human behaviour, and that includes "crime".
 
Having children should be the most important thing in anybody’s life. Unfortunately so many are brought into this world for the wrong reasons. Not because of a loving relationship between two people, or even one, who is prepared to bring them up the right way. No wonder the children and then, consequently as adults, they are as they are.
 
sambaDTR said:
Having children should be the most important thing in anybody’s life. Unfortunately so many are brought into this world for the wrong reasons. Not because of a loving relationship between two people, or even one, who is prepared to bring them up the right way. No wonder the children and then, consequently as adults, they are as they are.
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What are the wrong reasons
 
The one with the Christening party in The Central where the mass brawl broke out was brilliant.

Chavtastic.
 
I’ve said for years that scumbags who didn’t know how to behave when I was at school, are now grown up and having kids, and how are the kids going to learn to behave when they have these people for parents.

Society is rotten and if the Purge became real it would be about time.
 
I would question whether those who mention these 'innocent souls' committing these crimes would be so sympathetic to them if they - or maybe an elderly relative - were mugged or had their house burgled or vandalised by one of them
 
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