Europe holiday this spring/summer?

Capybara said:
In the future more people abroad will be vaccinated and the authorities should have variants nailed like they have with flu. The last thing we need this year just as we've got everyone vaccinated is people going abroad and bringing back a variant that current vaccinations can't cope with. It would potentially take us back to square one.
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This is exactly the point
 
Glover_elbow said:
Abroad is selfish and risky in my mind. Last year the government should have been banned holidays abroad out right. I never understood they way some people go on about not surviving if they dont get a holiday a year, like its an essential for their wellbeing to go to Benidorm or magaluf
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Not so much that. Paid for holiday last year, couldn’t go then so pushed it to this year. Wouldn’t mind putting it off until later in the year but the holiday company has hiked prices by £1000 already. So, truth be told, if the government deem it safe to travel, I’m not really sure where I stand with regards to money paid if I elect not to go.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
People can and will "survive" on a UK only based holiday this year. It's not critical to life to sit in the sun on a foreign bit of land for a week or 2 as opposed to here. This notion that foreign holidays are essential is nonsense. I love travelling as much as anyone, but not going abroad this year will in no way harm me, instead it provides an opportunity to explore the UK more
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Yeah, that's you mate & as i've already said - I'm me & the UK does nothing for me! Two yrs without foreign climbs is a depressing thought indeed!
 
Artie Fufkin said:
The difference will be that in the future the virus wont be as rampant as it currently is, and likely will be for much of the year, in many popular foreign holiday destinations
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I can see that point, but the question I'd ask is, if all studies suggest the vaccination prevents against serious illness of covid and all its variants and the vulnerable have been vaccinated then who are we protecting?

To be honest I've always previously been very much of the opinion that erring on the side of caution is sensible and protecting people's lives is paramount but if we're wanting to get to a point of zero risk then we will never do anything again.
 
SouthStandSY said:
Yeah, that's you mate & as i've already said - I'm me & the UK does nothing for me! Two yrs without foreign climbs is a depressing thought indeed!
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Fair enough, I just struggle with the concept of not being able to enjoy a holiday in the UK, but as you say, that's you

I had loads of great holidays in the UK as a kid and have continued to enjoy here as an adult. Cant wait to get somewhere in the van, Robin Hood's Bay will probably be first, then the lakes and then Scotland. Also looking forward to booking another trip to Lanzarote, but I can wait
 
The Card Cheat said:
I can see that point, but the question I'd ask is, if all studies suggest the vaccination prevents against serious illness of covid and all its variants and the vulnerable have been vaccinated then who are we protecting?

To be honest I've always previously been very much of the opinion that erring on the side of caution is sensible and protecting people's lives is paramount but if we're wanting to get to a point of zero risk then we will never do anything again.
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I think we all know zero risk is unachievable, always has been, always will be. My view is just that a bit more patience from us all will benefit everyone, here and abroad. We want to keep it to the absolute minimum possible rather than act in a way that propagates transmission
 
Capybara said:
In the future more people abroad will be vaccinated and the authorities should have variants nailed like they have with flu. The last thing we need this year just as we've got everyone vaccinated is people going abroad and bringing back a variant that current vaccinations can't cope with. It would potentially take us back to square one.
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I'm not sure its accurate to say the authorities have nailed the variants of flu I actually think the opposite is true, which is why we need a new flu vaccine every single year.
I think covid will be exactly the same, there will always be new variants now, next year and forever. So for me it's either we can travel once the vulnerable are vaccinated or we literally never travel abroad again!
 
The Card Cheat said:
I'm not sure its accurate to say the authorities have nailed the variants of flu I actually think the opposite is true, which is why we need a new flu vaccine every single year.
I think covid will be exactly the same, there will always be new variants now, next year and forever. So for me it's either we can travel once the vulnerable are vaccinated or we literally never travel abroad again!
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The vulnerable need to be vaccinated in other countries too.
The virus is growing exponentially in many European countries right now, and they've vaccinated a fraction of the number of people that we have.
There are always going to be new variants, but they'll be manageable when we no longer have pandemic level rates of infection around the world.

I really don't see the problem in waiting another 6 months to let people go abroad on holiday.
Might stimulate our domestic economy at the same time too.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
People can and will "survive" on a UK only based holiday this year. It's not critical to life to sit in the sun on a foreign bit of land for a week or 2 as opposed to here. This notion that foreign holidays are essential is nonsense. I love travelling as much as anyone, but not going abroad this year will in no way harm me, instead it provides an opportunity to explore the UK more
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What about the thousands of people who work in the travel industry?

Many seem to have forgotten that they are the victims of what would be a travel ban, not the people wanting to go on holiday.
 
My yearly jaunt to the Landes region of France is all paid for and I am looking forward to it. I did consider booking a room for a couple of night in San Sebastian after Jostler mentioned he was thinking of going and I remembered what a wonderful time we had on our two visits, but will wait to see how things are when we are out there.

If we can't go, we can always carry our payment over to next year.

We use to always holiday in Britain but stopped 12 years back. You always prayed to the weather gods and the last time we holidayed in Britain we paid £120 in parking fees going in and out of Torquay, Paignton & Brixham.

Very rare do you pay parking fees in France.
 
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Artie Fufkin said:
I think we all know zero risk is unachievable, always has been, always will be. My view is just that a bit more patience from us all will benefit everyone, here and abroad. We want to keep it to the absolute minimum possible rather than act in a way that propagates transmission
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Fair point about people abroad even if the people who are vulnerable are vaccinated here theres a good chance it wouldn't be the case just yet in other countries..I don't know what to think to be honest!
 
Randy said:
What about the thousands of people who work in the travel industry?

Many seem to have forgotten that they are the victims of what would be a travel ban, not the people wanting to go on holiday.
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That's a fair point and really the only answer is financial support, but I appreciate that there isnt an endless supply of funds to prop up an entire industry long term, hopefully for the shorter term though until travel becomes less potentially damaging
 
The Card Cheat said:
Fair point about people abroad even if the people who are vulnerable are vaccinated here theres a good chance it wouldn't be the case just yet in other countries..I don't know what to think to be honest!
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It's not easy and there has to come a point whereby we make decisions for ourselves based on what we view as risk, and if we are comfortable with that decision, we take responsibility for our own actions and mitigate and/or minimise the impact of that risk
 
Norman_Conquest said:
We use to always holiday in Britain but stopped 12 years back. You always prayed to the weather gods and the last time we holidayed in Britain we paid £120 in parking fees going into and out of Torquay, Paignton & Brixham.

Very rare do you pay parking fees in France.
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Good point. The total cost of a UK holiday can be eye watering. We had a short break in Yorkshire last year and decided to pop into a few places on the coast on the way back. Robin Hoods Bay, Whitby, Sandsend, Staithes, Runswick Bay and got hammered with parking fees for a short stop at each place. Totally ridiculous.
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I'll be travelling as soon as we're allowed. The Government have stated time and time again this virus will be soon be endemic (forever in the community) and once numbers are down and the majority are vaccinated, that's likely as good as it is ever going to get. So unless you plan to never travel again, I don't think it makes much difference if you go abroad in 3 months or 3 years.
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Are you talking about the numbers vaccinated here or countries abroad. I think that the issue ATM. We should be pretty well covered by vaccinations pretty soon but other countries we holiday in are woefully behind.
 
My thoughts are that the UK government will be willing for us to travel well before many countries are willing to receive us.

Spain and Portugal don't have particularly high infection rates just now, but may be treated cautiously due to the Brazilian variant. However, it's rising fast in France, Greece and Turkey.

I had thought about a jaunt to Prague, which was immediately followed by a massive 3rd wave and, I think, the worst overall rate in Europe. I don't think that's happening; although it's in decline there, the rate is still very high.
 
271266 said:
I've booked flights to Malaga for mid June.Have things to sort out with my house there.Will have had both my vaccinations by start of May.Hope infection rates here and in Andalucia allow a travel corridor with the UK.But won't be the end of the world if not.
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76.2 / 100,000 in Malaga City today and has been falling consistently for weeks. Bars, Shops, and Restaurants open until 10:30pm, now - all good here (y)

www.surinenglish.com

Malaga province and Andaluca Covid-19 rates - town by town

The following maps and graphs show the evolution of Covid-19 since the first wave and the infection rates for Malaga province and the region of Andaluca.
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Malaguena said:
76.2 / 100,000 in Malaga City today and has been falling consistently for weeks. Bars, Shops, and Restaurants open until 10:30pm, now - all good here (y)

www.surinenglish.com

Malaga province and Andaluca Covid-19 rates - town by town

The following maps and graphs show the evolution of Covid-19 since the first wave and the infection rates for Malaga province and the region of Andaluca.
www.surinenglish.com www.surinenglish.com
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Keep up the good work, we're hoping to go Estepona in August.

I know that I can survive without going abroad, but sometimes in life you just need something to look forward to, so that you can get through the bleak days.
 
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