Nobby_Barnes
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Cos I'm down there right now getting all the whispers and leaksTell me then.
This what I'm hearing
Con 60%
Dr Lab 40%
Others 10%
Monster Raving Loony 9%
PS I was never very good at maths
Cos I'm down there right now getting all the whispers and leaksTell me then.
Corbyn was not given a chance to begin with. Shame on those in the PLP, who knew him, worked with him and judged he would be a disaster. Regardless that they were right, shame on them.
2017 was one in the eye for them. However a lot of Remain people tactically voted Labour, in order to thwart Theresa May and her snap Brexit election, which helped but those votes were then misrepresented by Corbyn's inner circle as a vote for Brexit, thus alienating them for the future. We saw that in the European elections and in 2019. 2017 was still a loss when even by then a majority of the country thought Leaving the EU was a mistake.
Corbyn lost three elections and a referendum, the 2016 local elections were meh, 2017's were better but there was a substantial London element to that. Locally, for an opposition leader, Corbyn should have done better. Miliband had much more of an impact in 2014, for instance.
Corbyn was a nice bloke, decent policies on the whole, bad choice of friends/advisors, blind spot handling the Jewish issue, but ultimately just not a good leader. The PLP were bang out of order in 2015/16, but they were also right.
An unbelievable post. I really hope there is no one in Labour with this line of thinking. In what world were you living when at any point a 'majority' thought leaving the UK was bad??! If anything people became more staunch in their views. Utterly bizarre. I can only assume your reference is people you know personally and assume you're not North East based?
I am north east based. I can't say I knew them personally, but there were two marches on London with 1 million people and 6 million signed an online petition, remember? Farage's march to leave got about 60 people on it and one of them was curious me. Have you forgotten how pro EU parties got more votes than ConBrexit parties at the European elections.
But if you really want to know why I think a majority of the country realised leaving the EU was a mistake, the evidence is in the polls.
From July 2017, a year after the referendum, right up until 31 January 2020, the date we actually irrevocably left, there was only a single poll that had a majority that thought leaving was the right decision, out of about 75 polls. Generally there was a bigger gap than 52-48 as well.
Maybe it is your view that is based only on people you know personally, in fact?
I'm sorry to cite evidence, but presumably you'll accept my view is not 'unbelievable'.
17.4 Million voted to Leave in the 2016 Brexit Ref, remember? .... your 1 million and 6 million figures means nothingI am north east based. I can't say I knew them personally, but there were two marches on London with 1 million people and 6 million signed an online petition, remember?
Out of a population of 66 million......17.4 Million voted to Leave in the 2016 Brexit Ref, remember? .... your 1 million and 6 million figures means nothing
But 1.3 Million MORE votes than the remain total of 16.1 - we all knew the rules of the game, don't try and change it nowOut of a population of 66 million......
There are three reasons for voting Brexit that I have come acrossThe cult of brexit is massive in hartlepool
There are three reasons for voting Brexit that I have come across
1. Disaster capitalists expecting to make/retain money as a consequence
2. Hatred of foreigners
3. Sold a lie that things will return to “the good old days of the 1960s“. And if it doesn’t , and it won’t, at least it would have p1ssed off lots of others too.
Don't think I have missed anything
And yet here we are with a massive majority conservative government who electioneered primarily on a Brexit commitment.
The 2nd ref / remain Labour leadership and remain Lib Dems nowhere. Strange isnt it...
17.4 Million voted to Leave in the 2016 Brexit Ref, remember? .... your 1 million and 6 million figures means nothing
I always though longer queues favoured Labour as Tories were much more likely to use postal votes. I sincerely hope the long queues are mostly Labour supporters - I can't see a Labour victory sadly but I really hope we do.Just back from hartlepool, big queues at the polling stations I saw, not sure if that favours anyone
Think that one could be put in the No 3 locker. Let’s just call it daft.I think you have. It was an anti-Westminster vote for some. The leaders of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid, and the Greens were all telling people to remain. From the 2017 election onwards it looked like the tories would lose more seats at the next election. Then after May went and Boris took over he turned brexit in to a Tories vs Westminster battle when he prorogued Parliament and sacked 25 odd of his own MPs. After that the tories surged ahead and cleaned up.
How many 'disaster capitalists' do you think are out there? A few, for sure, but not tens of thousands and definitely not hundreds of thousands.There are three reasons for voting Brexit that I have come across
1. Disaster capitalists expecting to make/retain money as a consequence
2. Hatred of foreigners
3. Sold a lie that things will return to “the good old days of the 1960s“. And if it doesn’t , and it won’t, at least it would have p1ssed off lots of others too.
Don't think I have missed anything
I wonder who enforced his selection?There's definitely more to it than just Brexit alone, but it's definitely looking like a massive own goal to have picked Paul Williams for this by-election.
You could see the issue of his selection a mile off, so I'm surprised that Labour went for him.
Think I'm losing my £10 on a Labour win in the morning, hopefully I wake up to a surprise Hold.
As a member of the Hartlepool CLP I can tell you it was a selection imposed upon us and although I think he'd be a great MP I think it was outrageously stupid to nominate him for Hartlepool.I wonder who enforced his selection?
As per reports at the time the local Labour Party had a list drawn up... he wasn’t on it.
he was campaigning for the PCC (which to be honest he was/should have been a shoe in for it)
Then the next thing you know he is the one and only candidate in Hartlepool and the local Labour Party made it clear it want their decision
Looks like a massive own goal for Labour and he has egg on his face for not getting either role.