Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...

Lefty - Unrestricted immigration (from EU) and other immigration I am sure was an issue in some people's voting - I did not include because the posts before me had put in their words "hatred of foreigners". Myself I believe immigration is in general a good thiong for an economy, but it needs some sort of points style system like many other countries have and we take in some people who lives are heavily threatened of death in their own countries .

I appreciate posters responses. I did not say my points were right I said it was why people voted in 2016. The key to me is that people feel left behind and that is not an illusion created by the Daily Mail/Daily Express who probably are read by 3%? of the population on Teesside. The Labour Party has to say what it will do to level up the UK particularly on job opportunities which have been declining for years in places like Hartlepool and Redcar areas.
 
SuperStu said:
Corbyn who won the Hartlepool seat twice?

Corbyn who got 52% of the vote in Hartlepool less than 4 years ago?

Corbyn who got kicked out the PLP last year?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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And lost 14% less hands two years ago, mainly on the back of the parties brexit position
 
People in Hartlepool did not generally vote Labour, because Labour was not offering a solution to their concerns such as job insecurity, lack of employment opportunties. In a world of decreasing welfare support and a world where people have to work till they are 70 employment is a massive issue. The Tories may chip away at the NHS and other public services, but welfare (for under 65s) has been hit hard which has and is a cushion for a significant chunk of the population in left behind areas leading to lots of people relying on food banks etc. Most people want a job that pays them enough to avoid food banks and welfare, they want their own dignity and dignity for their family and their communities. There are not enough of these jobs in some places of the UK. For a short while people thought Jeremy Corbyn may alter the world and shake up what has been happening say lack of opportunties in Hartlepool, when it appeared he was not going to, some voters drifted away. Labour polices on regional support are not known enough or believed enough.
 
Redwurzel said:
Lefty - Unrestricted immigration (from EU) and other immigration I am sure was an issue in some people's voting - I did not include because the posts before me had put in their words "hatred of foreigners". Myself I believe immigration is in general a good thiong for an economy, but it needs some sort of points style system like many other countries have and we take in some people who lives are heavily threatened of death in their own countries .

I appreciate posters responses. I did not say my points were right I said it was why people voted in 2016. The key to me is that people feel left behind and that is not an illusion created by the Daily Mail/Daily Express who probably are read by 3%? of the population on Teesside. The Labour Party has to say what it will do to level up the UK particularly on job opportunities which have been declining for years in places like Hartlepool and Redcar areas.
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That's what I was wondering, whether the list you made were your reasons for voting, or your view of the main reasons Leave voters en mass voted that way?
 
Redwurzel said:
Lefty - Unrestricted immigration (from EU) and other immigration I am sure was an issue in some people's voting - I did not include because the posts before me had put in their words "hatred of foreigners". Myself I believe immigration is in general a good thiong for an economy, but it needs some sort of points style system like many other countries have and we take in some people who lives are heavily threatened of death in their own countries .

I appreciate posters responses. I did not say my points were right I said it was why people voted in 2016. The key to me is that people feel left behind and that is not an illusion created by the Daily Mail/Daily Express who probably are read by 3%? of the population on Teesside. The Labour Party has to say what it will do to level up the UK particularly on job opportunities which have been declining for years in places like Hartlepool and Redcar areas.
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Immigration is not an issue for most people, only those with a far right agenda. From my experiences immigration is a good thing for the country and the economy.

Uncontrolled immigration however is an issue, and is something that influences a lot of voters. Given that both the Tories and Labour appear to be welcoming mass uncontrolled immigration, I don't think it has played too much part in the thinking of voters in Hartlepool.
 
uncle_rico said:
Immigration is not an issue for most people, only those with a far right agenda. From my experiences immigration is a good thing for the country and the economy.

Uncontrolled immigration however is an issue, and is something that influences a lot of voters. Given that both the Tories and Labour appear to be welcoming mass uncontrolled immigration, I don't think it has played too much part in the thinking of voters in Hartlepool.
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Except the majority see labour as the party of uncontrolled immigration and the tories as been tough on immigration, its not true but thsts how the majority perceive the situation
 
uncle_rico said:
Immigration is not an issue for most people, only those with a far right agenda. From my experiences immigration is a good thing for the country and the economy.

Uncontrolled immigration however is an issue, and is something that influences a lot of voters. Given that both the Tories and Labour appear to be welcoming mass uncontrolled immigration, I don't think it has played too much part in the thinking of voters in Hartlepool.
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I don't think is accurate at all. Immigration was a central part of the Brexit agenda a that sentiment remains alive and well.

The omder the voter, the more likely they'll Support Brexit and by association, the Conservatives.

But immigration in the Brexit context is about race, religion and heritage, its an emotive view, based very much on wider sentiment than the hard facts of the issue itself.
 
jam69 said:
Except the majority see labour as the party of uncontrolled immigration and the tories as been tough on immigration, its not true but thsts how the majority perceive the situation
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It is an issue that people are afraid of talking about for obvious reasons.
 
zzzzz said:
Ruined our only credible opposition to the Tories. The damage done by Corbyn and his looney entourage will take decades to repair.... if it ever will be.
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I know some are desperate for it all to be the nasty allotment mans fault, but the numbers don't lie. Election on election decline from 1997 to now, with 2017 as the only outlier. Ruined... :ROFLMAO: He was Labour's last chance and sadly the PLP and senior staff blew it.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I don't think is accurate at all. Immigration was a central part of the Brexit agenda a that sentiment remains alive and well.

The omder the voter, the more likely they'll Support Brexit and by association, the Conservatives.

But immigration in the Brexit context is about race, religion and heritage, its an emotive view, based very much on wider sentiment than the hard facts of the issue itself.
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That's certainly true, but it's more than that. There's competition for employment and downward pressure on wages in some trades. That's one of the reasons why people can be opposed to immigration without being racist or xenophobic. Essentially, it's labour market competition they don't like. Having said that, it can lead to xenophobia.
 
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