ThePrisoner
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With free public housing, universal basic income and full government health care.
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We should all live as the Queen did
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jeff_potato
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Something of a basic employment package for having to meet some of our PMs every week and control yourself from asking how on earth they rose to the top of the pile.
I am not a Royalist but I think that we should at least wait till she is cold before we debate the rights and wrongs of a monarchy
ThePrisoner
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Au contraire. This time last week the country was collapsing before our eyes and millions were on the brink of destitution but now many are celebrating the glorious achievements of the past 70 years and how UK is such a wonderful place. Which is it?
BoroMart
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She isn't the monarchy, she was simply a part of the monarchy. If the issue is the role not the person then it's fine to discuss that.
The royalty itself of course, isn't entirely the issue, it's the aristocracy. Old money that has created a compromise system to deliver the pretense of equality and fairness and democracy. But in reality you have the royal household meddling in laws before the House of Commons, and hereditary Lords messing with laws coming out of the house of commons and into the Lords. A top-n-tail control by the same old families to protect their wealth and keep the people largely suppressed and allow their hard work to be exploited. Most people in this system believe in House of Lords reform, yet don't recognise that the royal family are a key part of that same system of aristocracy, which is crazy.
I totally agree with all that. They are all bent and corrupt and should be abolished. I am simply saying perhaps it is a sensitive time to discuss it. Not that I personally have much sensitivity towards them but plenty of people have.
Jedi boro
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Erm yes
BoroMart
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If working is getting driven to free meals, concerts, sports events and theatre, then saying hello what do you do to a few people, then sign me up
HarryVegas
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She'll definitely be cold by now, so I think we're safe.
sweet_left_foot
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Rexit
Pak_Doo_Ik
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I know it’s be asked a thousand but please humour me
How much better off would I be as a UK tax payer if we did away with the monarchy?
How much better off would I be as a UK tax payer if we did away with the monarchy?
BoroMart
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Have a look on republic.org which has quantified data for teh known cost, which is far far higher than the official claims of the royal household. The royal household ignores things like security costs, costs of local councils entertaining royalty for the day to open a sports centre etc.
Pak_Doo_Ik
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How much is it on there?
Officially it’s in the region of £110 million but I don’t know who to work that out per taxpayer hence my question.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Have a look and while you're there order a t shirt, they're cotton and the sizes are closer to reality than when buying Boro shirts but I'd still order the next size up
Ipad1977
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The simplistict way to work it out would be to divide that figure by the number of taxpayers or 31 million to receive an "average" amount. Which gives a figure of £3.55 cost to the average taxpayer, using that figure.
Of course how much YOU pay would be dependant upon the amount of tax you pay in relation to the average taxpayer.
Scrug
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Hardly carrying the hod was she. If I got to live in unfathomable tax-payer paid luxury and all I had to do was jet off somewhere and shake a few hands now and then I’d work until the grave too.
Jonny Ingbar
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I think the question of the burden on the taxpayers purse is a strong second to the fundamental question of relevance within a modern, progressive society.
But for the purpose of the debate, I think the income that the royal family makes from its wealth and ownership also has to be taken into account.
For example, as the Duchy of Cornwall Charles, and now William, make circa £20m p/a from the 150,000 acres of land that accompanies the title. That's one small example, the royals own an astounding amount of land, even before other assets are accounted for.
But for the purpose of the debate, I think the income that the royal family makes from its wealth and ownership also has to be taken into account.
For example, as the Duchy of Cornwall Charles, and now William, make circa £20m p/a from the 150,000 acres of land that accompanies the title. That's one small example, the royals own an astounding amount of land, even before other assets are accounted for.
Laughing
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How wrong can you be? The electoral contribution is a small part of the entire cost of the royal family.
Quicksilvera
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FactCheck Q&A: Does the monarchy pay for itself?
"The Crown Estates brought in £230.9m to the Treasury last year and Queen only received £32.1m from the state, so on the face of it there's a huge net gain for the taxpayer. That's one reason why monarchists claim that the royal family pays for itself."
www.channel4.com