BoroFur
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So why didn't Corbyn do that then, like a strong leader would?Or they could have accepted the result of the referendum and taken remain off the table.
So why didn't Corbyn do that then, like a strong leader would?Or they could have accepted the result of the referendum and taken remain off the table.
You've identified the reason - he wasn't a strong leader. His havering over Brexit was the worst possible option. You can't run an election campaign on the slogan ' We haven't made our mind up yet'.So why didn't Corbyn do that then, like a strong leader would?
At least be honest and state the reasons why he said that today.Starmer says the economy wouldn’t be improved by being in the single market or customs union
What a turn around from his remain position
Crikey do SuperStu, Bumface and BBG know that?You've identified the reason - he wasn't a strong leader. His havering over Brexit was the worst possible option. You can't run an election campaign on the slogan ' We haven't made our mind up yet'.
I have to say this is spot on, that election campaign has cost us dearly.You've identified the reason - he wasn't a strong leader. His havering over Brexit was the worst possible option. You can't run an election campaign on the slogan ' We haven't made our mind up yet'.
There was no wavering. The position was pretty clear to anyone with a brain. The public were too thick to understand it. Hardly surprising.Crikey do SuperStu, Bumface and BBG know that?
Isn't that the reason why millions of voters were turned off by Labour? The leadership thought the people who voted for Brexit were thick?There was no wavering. The position was pretty clear to anyone with a brain. The public were too thick to understand it. Hardly surprising.
I asked you to state the reasoning he gave today. Then we could have a discussion as to whether it's a reasonable position to take.You want to know why Starmer ONCE AGAIN says there’s no economic to be in the SM or Curoms union?
I honestly don’t know why he said it. He either believes it or he’s lying
What do you think, BoroFur?
Seemed pretty clear to me. It was the only real option when you had a 60/40 split. Try to placate both sides. It didn't work. I'm not sure what else they could have done under those circumstancesIsn't that the reason why millions of voters were turned off by Labour? The leadership thought the people who voted for Brexit were thick?
So I'll give you my credentials because you and others seem to think you're the only ones who know what goes on in the Labour Party (and being a member of looney Momentum doesn't count).
At Dr Paul Williams 2019 campaign launch me and others asked him what we should say to people on the doorstep when they asked what was Labour's position on Brexit. Dr Paul honestly did not know how to answer because the messages coming from the leadership were so wishy-washy and confusing. He basically suggested that we change the subject. Great eh?
It simply wasn't clear to the British public, Labour leavers and remainers alike.Seemed pretty clear to me. It was the only real option when you had a 60/40 split. Try to placate both sides. It didn't work. I'm not sure what else they could have done under those circumstances
And I blame the press and the back-stabbers within the party for that.It simply wasn't clear to the British public, Labour leavers and remainers alike.
Labour Leavers unconvinced by Corbyn’s Brexit policy | YouGov
Corbyn’s neutral stance on a second referendum is doing little to appeal to Leave-voting Labour votersyougov.co.uk
Blame Corbyn, he was weak. Saying he would be neutral in a 2nd referendum was absolutely pathetic.And I blame the press and the back-stabbers within the party for that.
Agree to disagree. This country would be in a far better place if Corbyn was prime minister.Blame Corbyn, he was weak. Saying he would be neutral in a 2nd referendum was absolutely pathetic.
I still voted for him though, but you know that anyway.Agree to disagree. This country would be in a far better place if Corbyn was prime minister.
When I said that the country would be in a better place under Corbyn I didn't mean it literally. The country wouldn't be in the caribbean or on the moon or in Valhalla. It would still be here, but it would be less messed up.I still voted for him though, but you know that anyway.
Every time I heard Corbyn speak to the broadcast media I got the clear message that the referendum result would be respected. Then I would hear presenters on 5live and on the TV attempting to muddy the water by continuously claiming that Labour's Brexit policy was unclear. It was extremely frustrating. As for Paul Williams, he was a remainer so was unlikely to be happy with recognising the referendum result. He also lost Stockton South and Hartlepool so perhaps his own doorstep technique was found wanting.Isn't that the reason why millions of voters were turned off by Labour? The leadership thought the people who voted for Brexit were thick?
So I'll give you my credentials because you and others seem to think you're the only ones who know what goes on in the Labour Party (and being a member of looney Momentum doesn't count).
At Dr Paul Williams 2019 campaign launch me and others asked him what we should say to people on the doorstep when they asked what was Labour's position on Brexit. Dr Paul honestly did not know how to answer because the messages coming from the leadership were so wishy-washy and confusing. He basically suggested that we change the subject. Great eh?
Yep. Position was clear. We respect the vote but we'll go for the softest Brexit possible to try and limit the damage. Made sense to me.Every time I heard Corbyn speak to the broadcast media I got the clear message that the referendum result would be respected. Then I would hear presenters on 5live and on the TV attempting to muddy the water by continuously claiming that Labour's Brexit policy was unclear. It was extremely frustrating. As for Paul Williams, he was a remainer so was unlikely to be happy with recognising the referendum result. He also lost Stockton South and Hartlepool so perhaps his own doorstep technique was found wanting.
Which referendum, the 1st one or the 2nd one he wanted but would stay neutral?Every time I heard Corbyn speak to the broadcast media I got the clear message that the referendum result would be respected.
Well that's life isn't it? It was unclear to the public when explained to them by Corbyn and ultimately that's all that matters.Then I would hear presenters on 5live and on the TV attempting to muddy the water by continuously claiming that Labour's Brexit policy was unclear.
What a load of tosh that is. He wanted direction from Corbyn so that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet. He didn't get it and neither did his campaign team.As for Paul Williams, he was a remainer so was unlikely to be happy with recognising the referendum result. He also lost Stockton South and Hartlepool so perhaps his own doorstep technique was found wanting.
You can't recognise a result that hasn't happened yet.Which referendum, the 1st one or the 2nd one he wanted but would stay neutral?
No it's not all that matters. Each time I heard Corbyn speak, it was clear that the referendum result would be respected. Many others including Bumface found the same but the media constantly muddied the water and people were duped.Well that's life isn't it? It was unclear to the public when explained to them by Corbyn and ultimately that's all that matters.
Then he too was duped, or lying. The man was no fan of Corbyn, that's why Starmer parachuted him into Hartlepool.What a load of tosh that is. He wanted direction from Corbyn so that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet. He didn't get it and neither did his campaign team.
Are you going to get your credentials out and wave them at us next BoroFur? I tried to give you a bit of sensible grown up politics with that stuff about the moon and Valhalla and you just laughed at it. I though that centrists loved that kind of thing? They don't care about believing in things and having principles- we know that. It's win at all costs. Become The Tories to beat The Tories. That seems pretty crazy to me.Which referendum, the 1st one or the 2nd one he wanted but would stay neutral?
Well that's life isn't it? It was unclear to the public when explained to them by Corbyn and ultimately that's all that matters.
What a load of tosh that is. He wanted direction from Corbyn so that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet. He didn't get it and neither did his campaign team.
You do realise that many Labour leave candidates also lost don't you?