Is Sunak right?

I don’t think it will be enough but I know there’s people who agree with this rhetoric but won’t openly say it. At the moment they’ll just say things like “all the parties are the same” and make out like they wouldn’t vote anyone, then when it comes down it they’ll vote Tory.
 
speckyget said:
Just had the rare pleasure of watching the Prime Minister's press conference to trumpet his stonking majority on the Rwanda Bill. He confirmed that if necessary - as the Bill provides - he will ignore any attempts by the ECtHR to thwart illegal extraditions to Rwanda. What he seems to be doing now is gambling his political future on 'the people' (assuming he means the electorate) being sufficiently xenophobic in sufficient numbers to outweigh any squeamishness about the UK becoming one of 'those countries' - e.g., Belarus and the Russian Federation - who don't recognise the mechanisms that have guaranteed human rights and fundamental freedoms for 70 years.

Is he right though? By which I mean is this an astute political punt, not is he acting on any higher principle - given he has the moral compunction of a virus.
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So far he hasn't demonstrated any other political astuteness.
 
The fact that our current government is openly stating that they will disregard ECHR law, because it's inconveniently stands in the way of their illegal Rawanda policy, should be a matter that each and every one of us finds deeply troubling.

More so given how ECHR came into being and the part Great Britain played on that.
 
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Jonny Ingbar said:
The fact that our current government is openly staying that they will disregard ECHR law, because it's inconveniently stands in the way of their illegal Rawanda policy, should be a matter that each and every one of us finds define troubling.

More so given how ECHR came into being and the part Great Britain played on that.
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Have you ever heard Sunak or any of them explain to their voters that although it has Europe in the title it's nothing to do with the EU.
 
Low_Key said:
will this be the issue if he hangs on until october. his older electorate might not fancy going out in colder weather.
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That's why I got sent a postal vote application yesterday.
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Have you ever heard Sunak or any of them explain to their voters that although it has Europe in the title it's nothing to do with the EU.
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Of course not. They are deliberately doing the opposite, and it works on some people> I've heard a few radio phone-ins recently when the hard-of-thinking think the Council of Europe and its court are related to the EU, even after they are told it is not.
There are still millions who believe what the Daily Heil and the like prints is true because 'they wouldn't be allowed to print it if it wasn't true'.
 
I think the lack of morality and a certain desperation to placate (they have given up trying to please them) their base is already written into this but I'm a little surprised how each part of the parliamentary party has decided to turn on each other. Tories MPs don't usually treat each other like they do the general population.

At some point they are going to have to face up to reality. It always wins the race eventually.

Rwanda isn't safe. You can't argue (even if you don't know the law) that people should've stayed in a safe country like France and also argue to send them to an unsafe one.

What happens when you concentrate completely on stopping 30k people coming in (again even if....) illegally when hundreds of ',000s arrive legally?

At some point people who have loved ones caught up in the mess that is our legal system will ask why 25 courtrooms and 5,000 court days, plus 150 judges have been taken out of that system to deal with this.

The Rwanda deal only covers a few hundred people at most, so what happens to everyone else? The only suggestion I have heard is pushing the boats back or sending them back to France.

If you start breaking international treaties with the Council of Europe on the basis of passing of the It Is What We Say It Is law, then other countries will just pass the equivalent law in response.

Other countries have the same nutters we have here. No French government is going to just accept the return of people who they have not processed previously. Although it is partly due to the influx of people it is also a tacit admission that British laws take precedence over theirs.

Sunak is an idiot because he never had to say 'Stop the boats'. He could've said that he would significantly bring the numbers down. He should also have reviewed the Rwanda deal when he took office, which was just a distraction concocted by Boris when Partygate was in the news.

At some point they are going to have to explain whether and if so, why we are the only western nation that refuses to take in asylum seekers.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Given the nationalist views of the average conservative voter and how they stand on brexit, its ironic in the extreme isn't it.
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It is the same with most of these people.

They find a subject that they tell you that they really care about and then don't bother to find out any facts or realities surrounding the issue.

Brexit, immigration, capital punishment, military action.

It is usually about hurting other people.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Of course not. They are deliberately doing the opposite, and it works on some people> I've heard a few radio phone-ins recently when the hard-of-thinking think the Council of Europe and its court are related to the EU, even after they are told it is not.
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I'm surprised we're still allowed to enter the Eurovision Song Contest tbh.
 
Is he **** right.

Stop the Boats is a ploy. It’s political distraction tactics to make the gullible forget about how shocking the Tories have been for 14 years.

The more he says “the people” the more Daily Mail readers and the like believe it.

I’m 44 and can remember my entire adult life desperate people making the dangerous crossing of the channel. Why hasn’t “stop the boats” been an issue since the 90’s?

Those claiming asylum are not the reason this country’s civic society is in a terrible state. It’s 14 years of Tory Government and their deliberate attack on society that is the reason.
 
IMO, the Rwanda bill was voted through because the Tory bigots wanted to hold onto their + £80,000 and expenses for as long as they can, until swept out of power in the next few months.
 
Gullible clowns soaking up the tory media coolade. Majority of the electorate seem to have lost the ability to spot lying c's.

Tory voters appear to be denser than your average submarine door.
 
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