Red Faction - walking out on 30th minute

Aet290204 said:
I get that it’s about loyalty

But surely the priority points, free drinks covers that.
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exactly, can’t help but feel that we would have packed the ground with new long term season ticket holders after last season if the pricing was sensible
Sure any fan would enjoy it much more with the ground full and bouncing every week
 
alanmoodysdog said:
I agree with RF statement and the way price increases are a way of life .. I will leave my armchair in my lounge on 30min and retreat to the kitchen .... Boro Live Season Pass Holder (Thialand) .... I will leave the match on the TV to add to the atmosphere
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Well aren’t you the lucky one

I mean living in Thailand you can actually watch the game legally on TV.

Unlike me lol
 
Seems to me walking out will only affect the team and other supporters enjoyment of the game and cause friction between fans, why not protest before or after the game against the club (as other fans do eg Man U vs the Glazers)? People won't go to the game if the atmosphere is going to be poisoned as it likely will be if this goes ahead. Won't help our push for the playoffs
 
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I get wound up with “in one of the most deprived areas in the country” line.
Yes, sadly we are. But it’s not the people in deprivation who are buying season tickets to football clubs.
 
gramercy said:
I get wound up with “in one of the most deprived areas in the country” line.
Yes, sadly we are. But it’s not the people in deprivation who are buying season tickets to football clubs.
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No, because they can't afford them when life's essentials are a greater priority, but then they also won't be able to afford the increased walk up prices to support the team for a few matches a season.
I don't support a walk out during the match as I think it might negatively impact on the team, but I think the RF and supporters in general are right to protest about the latest increases in an appropriate way.
 
ForssAwakens said:
Disagree, some people spend what little disposable income on the club as it’s a way of life for them. Some of these people will eventually be priced out or get into debt
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This, although I am by no means deprived I am employed, on an average annual salary and spend what little money I have on watching Boro. I don’t have a Season card instead I pick and choose and try and get to a game every 6 weeks or so. I’d love a season card. I simply cant afford one.

Would add for context i to live 180
Miles away from the riverside stadium. So cost of travel would be a factor. But I’ve done it before. Booking train tickets in advance, driving etc.
 
Charlie Amer's Fang Club said:
No, because they can't afford them when life's essentials are a greater priority, but then they also won't be able to afford the increased walk up prices to support the team for a few matches a season.
I don't support a walk out during the match as I think it might negatively impact on the team, but I think the RF and supporters in general are right to protest about the latest increases in an appropriate way.
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What would be appropriate though?

I have heard this argument used against junior drs and nurses when they went on strike and I don't agree with this stance.

Protest is supposed to performative in many aspects, to gain attention and awareness of the issues.

The club is not great at taking on board fan feedback historically, what else can people do? especially when they have no voice or much leverage in the conversation.
 
ForssAwakens said:
Disagree, some people spend what little disposable income on the club as it’s a way of life for them. Some of these people will eventually be priced out or get into debt
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If you have disposable income to buy football tickets after putting a roof over your head etc. you are not living in deprivation.

For what it’s worth I don’t agree with the price rises, and think the prices are too high for what’s on offer.
I was just saying I don’t like the use of poverty as a reason to try and justify lowering the price of what’s essentially a luxury product for people who clearly aren’t in poverty.
 
gramercy said:
If you have disposable income to buy football tickets after putting a roof over your head etc. you are not living in deprivation.

For what it’s worth I don’t agree with the price rises, and think the prices are too high for what’s on offer.
I was just saying I don’t like the use of poverty as a reason to try and justify lowering the price of what’s essentially a luxury product for people who clearly aren’t in poverty.
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The obvious mistake you seem to be making is just accepting that football should be a luxury product. Watching football shouldn't be just for the elite. Football, until recently, has always been accessible for everyone and it should always be that way. If you are recognising the fact that it is no longer accessible, even for a championship team that never sells all of their tickets, then you must also see that there is a problem.

The deprived part of it is really just an indicator though. It's not like Teesside is 50% deprived, 50% wealthy. The high levels of deprivation is an indicator that on average the people of Teesside are less wealthy than their equivalent in other regions.
 
Lets get one thing right if it wasnt for the minimum wage increases alot of us would still be working for £6,7 or £8 an hour and a season card would be way beyond our reach at the proposed prices.

But to use that as one of the main reasons for the increase is a tad unfair. You find other ways to make the shortfall (like selling a player for £10m+)

What do we do in protest 'its in the blood' (possibly the best marketing mfc came up with) go and support/watch another team?

MFC know we can't/won't do this so they have us by the you know what ...

People voted with their feet during the Strachan era and that set the club and its fanbase back years.

I'll happily join in a protest but it has to be meaningful and also sensible (not that most protests of late have been sensible like at Reading)
 
JonnyHistory said:
What would be appropriate though?

I have heard this argument used against junior drs and nurses when they went on strike and I don't agree with this stance.

Protest is supposed to performative in many aspects, to gain attention and awareness of the issues.

The club is not great at taking on board fan feedback historically, what else can people do? especially when they have no voice or much leverage in the conversation.
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Maybe protest after the match outside the main stand (but if we've won, fans might be less inclined to participate and if we've lost it might just look like sour grapes).
A "picket line" wouldn't work as fans would be reluctant to observe it having already paid for their tickets.
A boycott of a home game would hit the club in the pocket when finances are clearly a huge problem.
 
Nano said:
The obvious mistake you seem to be making is just accepting that football should be a luxury product. Watching football shouldn't be just for the elite. Football, until recently, has always been accessible for everyone and it should always be that way. If you are recognising the fact that it is no longer accessible, even for a championship team that never sells all of their tickets, then you must also see that there is a problem.

The deprived part of it is really just an indicator though. It's not like Teesside is 50% deprived, 50% wealthy. The high levels of deprivation is an indicator that on average the people of Teesside are less wealthy than their equivalent in other regions.
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Luxury was maybe the wrong word there.
Maybe saying that it’s not an essential product, it’s a nice thing to have, would have been better.

I’m just saying that a load of people many of whom will be sporting some Stone Island or CP Company clothing, walking out of a football match shouldn’t really be using deprivation as weight to their argument about basically wanting their ticket to be a bit cheaper.
 
I am surprised SG agreed to meet them in the first place. How many of these self-appointed fan representatives does he have to meet with to keep the peace ?
 
parmoboy said:
I feel these kind of acts will just make the club even more reluctant to back down.

I liked the banner they had at yesterday's game but we need them to stay for the full 90 minutes next Saturday and support the team.
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What's stopping them making their point for 15 minutes of the first half and then returning for the second half? A big portion of the crowd missing for 15 mins would surely make a point without the team having reduced support for the entire second half.
 
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