Kieran Scott’s recruitment really coming to fruition now

Silvera for about £500k hasn’t been terrible either. Bit of a punt, first season after coming half way round the world etc

I think if Greenwood had been used as intended (backup to McGree, rather than having to start about 30+ games) we would have said decent loan signing as well. He’s made some good contributions.
 
To provide some balance before we get carried away with Scott being the Messiah.

How many of his signings would get in Leeds/Leicester/Southampton's teams? I'm guessing none of them.

We've only made a profit so far on one of his signings (Rogers). I wouldn't get too carried away with what players are worth until someone actually bids for them because being honest, as fans we are almost never right with our expectations of value and are far too overly optimistic with our sales but some way can go out and buy other teams players for buttons.

Scott has had the massive advantage of being able to make loads of cheap signings and get away with really poor performances, particularly derailing our season before it got started by starting seasons completely unprepared 2 years in a row. The manager takes the blame for the results and he cost Wilder his job and could've easily cost Carrick his as well. Scott has also been able to do it by raising big money from players he had nothing to do with bringing in (Tav, Spence, Akpom).

Next season we're going to have another session of championship football and it is because we don't have a squad capable of challenging at the top of the league.

Basically, it is far too early to judge Scott as a success. We're a football club and our performance is measured on the pitch, not the accounts.
 
TeaCider said:
I think you've also got to consider who we didn't sign.

We wanted two strikers in the summer, and failed, so we cancelled Coburn's impending loan.

We had zero fit strikers going in to January, and failed to recruit one again.

Latte Lath looks to be thriving right now, but we went 2 months without a functioning striker and had Coburn limping around with a hernia because of poor recruitment on that front.
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I know what you are saying tc but sometimes it's not down to the recruitment team when a transfer doesn't happen.

To be honest I am glad we didn't waste money in January on an overpriced striker.

It does seem that it can take a long time to complete signings and I don't know if that's a Boro thing or a football thing.
 
AytonMews said:
But if we’d signed a striker on loan in January maybe he wouldn’t be
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Latte Lath was injured before Christmas, he didn't start a match again for us until March.

We knew Coburn was injured.

We dropped a lot of points during the period where we had no fit functioning strikers.

Trying to spin that as a positive of the recruitment is daft.
 
I’m not trying to spin anything. Carrick himself has said we’re not going to sign expensive players for the sake of 2 months
 
TeaCider said:
Latte Lath was injured before Christmas, he didn't start a match again for us until March.

We knew Coburn was injured.

Trying to spin that as a positive of the recruitment is daft.
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He must have started at least one match as he got injured in the first minute of the home semi final against Chelsea.
 
I broadly agree but this summer is the real test. It has to be quality now. I don’t really want to see players like Greenwood, Gilbert, Thomas and Silvera pitching up. Any player signed needs to go straight into the team.

We’ve also had huge issues up front this season, which is in part down to the recruitment side. And we weakened ourselves in January. But as I said, I broadly agree with the OP.
 
Air Resistance said:
Probably but it didn’t feel like we used to, maybe that’s cause we had nothing worth selling.
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Aye if you cast your mind back to the Strachan era say, we had Robson and maybe Scott Mcdonald who's have made decent fees when selling on, if nowhere near the kind of return for those we've sold in the last couple of seasons.

And without Robson especially in an already poor championship team, League One would probably have beckoned.
 
Well I guess we would have been open to signing a cheap as chips 20 goal a season striker.

I believe we were in for a few that we thought offered good value.


Just not the likes of Kieffer Moore etc
 
WilliamMunny said:
He must have started at least one match as he got injured in the first minute of the home semi final against Chelsea.
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I meant league matches, but yeah, he was rushed back from injury and started the Chelsea cup game, and took one tackle before being missing for another 6 weeks.

That was early January, with 3 weeks of the window left.

Likewise with Coburn.
Playing through injury through most of the season, gets a procedure to try and continue and hobble through it, rather than sign somebody to allow him to recover properly, he's since aggravated it to the extent that he's missed the last 2 months of the season.
 
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A few are getting ahead of themselves here.

Dieng, VDB and Rogers are good signings.

Latte Lath is certainly improving.

Greenwood, Ayling, OBrien have been average here at best.
Azaz and Thomas have been disappointing so far.
Bangura has been a perma crock so unfair to judge.

Engel, Silvera, Gilbert, Glover, Jones are nowhere near good enough.
Barlaser, Hoppe can be added to that list.

People can exaggerate fees actually received (Rogers) or current values ( VdB, Dieng, Lath) all they like, but it doesn’t make them true or real.
We got £10m for Akpom, same for Tav, similar for Spence. Our current players are not their standard, values or fees.
 
TeaCider said:
I meant league matches, but yeah, he was rushed back from injury and started the Chelsea cup game, and took one tackle before being missing for another 6 weeks.
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Come on TC, you can't pin the blame for that injury on being rushed back. Disasi flung himself towards LL and landed on his ankle. It was an impact injury that could have happened in any game regardless of whether LL was making his first start in a whopping 21 days (having also played 35 minutes the previous weekend) or if he'd started 15 consecutive games.

He missed 2 weeks training from a minor injury, so I can't accept the criticism that we rushed him back and that was the cause of his subsequent injury.
 
indeedido said:
A few are getting ahead of themselves here.

Dieng, VDB and Rogers are good signings.

Latte Lath is certainly improving.

Greenwood, Ayling, OBrien have been average here at best.
Azaz and Thomas have been disappointing so far.
Bangura has been a perma crock so unfair to judge.

Engel, Silvera, Gilbert, Glover, Jones are nowhere near good enough.
Barlaser, Hoppe can be added to that list.

People can exaggerate fees actually received (Rogers) or current values ( VdB, Dieng, Lath) all they like, but it doesn’t make them true or real.
We got £10m for Akpom, same for Tav, similar for Spence. Our current players are not their standard, values or fees.
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A few others are still living in dream land. We're a top half championship club. We're not Leeds/Southampton/Leicester.

You're right that our current players aren't at the standard of Akpom and Tav... because if they were, they'd be leaving for better teams too. "That's football".

Greenwood, Ayling and O'Brien are all good signings for a club at our level. O'Brien especially would walk into any championship team outside the big three.

Fans want better players - but the facts are, they're either too expensive, or simply don't want to come to Middlesbrough.
 
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