“Eat Out To Help Out”

Of course they have mouths to feed but so do people who do work. By time they have fed their children, paid rent, council tax and have nothing left they are in the exact same boat. Total incomings can total outgoing almost exactly the same you can’t argue that the one not working should get a voucher but ones who are don’t... simply isn’t fair and penalises the worker. That’s why I don’t think a scheme like that would work or is even fair.

Yes on your 2nd point I would be happy and all in favour of some vouchers for the poor whether they work or not...along with asylum seekers who of course can’t work. How you could measure that though I’m not sure.

As stated this is a scheme to help the industry not the public though. Yes we get a cheaper meal but the business receives a vital boost. Vouchers for everybody or some won’t give the hospitality sector what it needs and alot of businesses will go under leading to job losses and lost tax intake plus more benefit claims.

I think too many are not seeing it for what it is and that’s a help for the food sector of our economy. Measuring it against people who can’t afford to eat out is the wrong argument, there should be something else alongside this scheme to help them not replace this scheme instead
 
Holgatewall said:
Because the only people in this situation who are going to benefit are those who can already afford to eat out and dont rely on food banks.
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You're looking at it in far too simpler terms.

If you don't convince people to leave the house and spend in one of our largest employment sectors, then that sector does not exist, and neither will the jobs for the 600,000 employees or 100,000 businesses. If those don't exist then the lost tax into the UK will further break the economy.

Then with the economy more broken, less people have less money, that's less donations to the food banks and also a massive portion of that 600k jobless are now stood in the food bank queue, taking food from those that already needed it.

Have you not noticed all the shops going bust, and the thousands upon thousands put out of work every single day recently? They will be in the queues for the food banks in a couple of weeks, and/or signing on for JSA, rather than working and paying tax (even though small amounts of tax).

I would love the Tories to do a robin hood and take a billion of bezos and give it to those in the food bank queue, but it's not going to happen.
 
Cambsred said:
Would that provide market stimulus do you think? Or would it go unnoticed? Not a criticism, genuinely interested. The voucher thing looks good for the government (not a reason to do something like this solely, but perhaps a useful gimmick all the same)
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A 1% VAT cut costs around £7Billion in lost tax revenues - but should be available to 'spend/invest/pay off debt' back into the system, as it effects everyone in the country who does a trade transaction on pretty much most things.

however, i see that for this scheme in august and for 6 months till next January VAT has been cut to 5%. so its tax revenue thats being allocated - i am also seeing headlines of 50% off your bill?

restaurants have till Monday to join the scheme, alcohol is NOT included in the new measures.

be interesting to see who joins, probably the pubs/chains will, harvester, wetherspoons, macdonalds, nandos, yo sushi cafe rouge, pizza express etc i wonder what the independent places will do .

its a New Deal the public want, not a Meal Deal.
 
I don’t see why an independent would not sign up, they receive a 100% of the meal price. It’s a win win for the business and customer. Not sure why you would want to take advantage in say a weatherspoons. This is giving you an opportunity to get out, eat some freshly cooked food that you may pay £15-£20 for the same as weatherspoons price.
 
Cooper671 said:
Of course they have mouths to feed but so do people who do work. By time they have fed their children, paid rent, council tax and have nothing left they are in the exact same boat. Total incomings can total outgoing almost exactly the same you can’t argue that the one not working should get a voucher but ones who are don’t... simply isn’t fair and penalises the worker. That’s why I don’t think a scheme like that would work or is even fair.

Yes on your 2nd point I would be happy and all in favour of some vouchers for the poor whether they work or not...along with asylum seekers who of course can’t work. How you could measure that though I’m not sure.

As stated this is a scheme to help the industry not the public though. Yes we get a cheaper meal but the business receives a vital boost. Vouchers for everybody or some won’t give the hospitality sector what it needs and alot of businesses will go under leading to job losses and lost tax intake plus more benefit claims.

I think too many are not seeing it for what it is and that’s a help for the food sector of our economy. Measuring it against people who can’t afford to eat out is the wrong argument, there should be something else alongside this scheme to help them not replace this scheme instead
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Coops- I do understand what it is for but it sticks in the throat to see foodbanks increase while millionaires who don't need vouchers get them. ( Whether they use them or not is a different matter.) Rather like subsidising the opera houses that the ordinary person could never hope to be able to afford to go into.
 
Cooper671 said:
Of course they have mouths to feed but so do people who do work. By time they have fed their children, paid rent, council tax and have nothing left they are in the exact same boat. Total incomings can total outgoing almost exactly the same you can’t argue that the one not working should get a voucher but ones who are don’t... simply isn’t fair and penalises the worker. That’s why I don’t think a scheme like that would work or is even fair.

Yes on your 2nd point I would be happy and all in favour of some vouchers for the poor whether they work or not...along with asylum seekers who of course can’t work. How you could measure that though I’m not sure.

As stated this is a scheme to help the industry not the public though. Yes we get a cheaper meal but the business receives a vital boost. Vouchers for everybody or some won’t give the hospitality sector what it needs and alot of businesses will go under leading to job losses and lost tax intake plus more benefit claims.

I think too many are not seeing it for what it is and that’s a help for the food sector of our economy. Measuring it against people who can’t afford to eat out is the wrong argument, there should be something else alongside this scheme to help them not replace this scheme instead
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Yes im all in favour of the pubs and restaurants getting this support but I also want to see support for those struggling to make ends meet who cant afford to access restaurants and pubs.

And dont forget that not all those people using food banks are unemployed.
 
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I suggest ensuring that the 8,400,000+ of our population who are under-nurished are far more in need than anyone on here is to go out to dinner.

https://www.sustainweb.org/foodpoverty/whatisfoodpoverty/

What is food poverty? Who is most at risk?

An estimated 8.4 million people in the UK struggle to get enough to eat. This includes many households with people in work, families with children, as well as older, disabled and BAME people.

Read on. [See the link above].
 
Holgatewall said:
Yes im all in favour of the pubs and restaurants getting this support but I also want to see support for those struggling to make ends meet who cant afford to access restaurants and pubs.

And dont forget that not all those people using food banks are unemployed.
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Spot on holgate.
Many in work - including zero hours contracts and agencies cant afford the basics.

Forget the propagandist stereotypical labels:
"scroungers"
"idle"
"lazy"
"5 kids - no Dad"
"Council walla`s"
"spongers"
"chavs"

That bollax is used to blame the vicitms and deny the system has responsibility to feed our people, not just line a few private pockets.

Theres plenty of ex-soldiers on the street and without a decent roof over their head, and some who have, who cant afford to put a decent meal every day on the table.........spongers eh?
 
Wilf said:
if you want to help the hospitality industry - put in place a rent and rates freeze
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Agreed.
Business rates have been paused until next year I believe?
The VAT cut will do wonders for our industry. It actually brings us in line with a lot of European countries before this pandemic.
 
Trug said:
Coops- I do understand what it is for but it sticks in the throat to see foodbanks increase while millionaires who don't need vouchers get them. ( Whether they use them or not is a different matter.) Rather like subsidising the opera houses that the ordinary person could never hope to be able to afford to go into.
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From what I understand there is no voucher.
I've read it as we can put a £10 discount on a meal at the till and we claim that back from government. That's why venues have to register.

So say for example your steak usually costs £20, you only pay £10 and we claim the other £10 back from the government. At least it's how I think it will work.
 
Another point being missed when referring to millionaires upper class etc. The establishments these people eat at won’t need to apply for the subsidy as their custom will come back and pay extremely high prices anyways. £10 is going to make no difference so why would they offer it.

It’s the places that usually pay £40 and could now cost that is the aim and will benefit from
 
Cooper - People with disabilities who get disability related benefits get it to cover the extra cost of been disabled as I believe you know, because you have said you deal with people with disabilities. For example a blind person may need to use taxis and employ a cleaner.

I thought it was more accurate to look at a able bodied person for comparison as they are 90% of the working population - so the question is what able bodied unemployed person gets £1000 plus a month?

Living wage is around £1300 or £1100 a month with national insurance and income tax taken off for full time work opposed to say an average of £750 for someone unemployed.

Your average person is not unemployed through their economic choice.
 
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