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alvez_49

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I'm trying to craft out a winning formation for the lads.

The 3 in the title are probably best bets.

Change the style to pure attrition, keep the ball, slow and boring build up when we have all the possession and look for simple counter attacks down the wings when we dont.

Ditch the 'press' for now, not that I've seen it for a while. Rigid formation, clear simple instructions.

I think 4-1-4-1 might be the go to here if it were me.
 
I'm edging towards us switching to a midfield 3 of Howson, Hackney and O'Brien, I just don't think Rodgers is ever going to be able to play the same way as Akpom did in that role. The jury is still out with Greenwood of course.
 
parmoboy said:
I'm edging towards us switching to a midfield 3 of Howson, Hackney and O'Brien, I just don't think Rodgers is ever going to be able to play the same way as Akpom did in that role. The jury is still out with Greenwood of course.
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Barlaser for Howson for me, Howson is struggling and Barlaser is better at spotting the pass.

Edit to add, I worry that we've bought in players like greenwood and will this stubbornly refuse to switch the style.

The players are a much of a muchness, not many stand out as 'must be first team'.
 
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alvez_49 said:
Barlaser for Howson for me, Howson is struggling and Barlaser is better at spotting the pass.

Edit to add, I worry that we've bought in players like greenwood and will this stubbornly refuse to switch the style.

The players are a much of a muchness, not many stand out as 'must be first team'.
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He's clearly brought OBrien in because he doesn't think Barlaser is good enough.
 
B_G said:
He's clearly brought OBrien in because he doesn't think Barlaser is good enough.
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He's brought O'Brien in for Howson.. obviously.

The point is simpler than that, he needs to pack that midfield. Whether it's your boy Howson or my boy Barlaser that midfield is getting taken to town.

Just when Barlaser has been playing we've not been getting beat but that's neither here nor there.
 
If he thought Barlaser was good enough, he'd have been playing in the league.

But keep spouting rubbish.
 
outoftown said:
I'd hope that he's brought O'Brien NOT to sit on the bench, and that he's here to start ?
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Yes agree. It was in response Alvez's post saying he thinks Barlaser should come into the team. I was just pointing out that Barlaser appears to be 4th in line now.

I think O'brien will start next week. No idea who comes out team. Howson was poor today. Hackney not much better.. Haven't seen the replay of the first goal but looked like it was Hackney's area to close down. He had far too much time. Similar to the first one against Coventry I think. I rate Hackney though and I'd be trying to find a way to keep him in the team. So either Howson comes out or Hackney moves forward.

Barlaser stays on bench
 
B_G said:
Yes agree. It was in response Alvez's post saying he thinks Barlaser should come into the team. I was just pointing out that Barlaser appears to be 4th in line now.

I think O'brien will start next week. No idea who comes out team. Howson was poor today. Hackney not much better.. Haven't seen the replay of the first goal but looked like it was Hackney's area to close down. He had far too much time. Similar to the first one against Coventry I think. I rate Hackney though and I'd be trying to find a way to keep him in the team. So either Howson comes out or Hackney moves forward.

Barlaser stays on bench
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I think if MC completely insists in never deviating from 4 2 3 1 , Barlaser probably is 4th pick I'd agree.

However I'd have Silvera as 5th pick outta the wide options??
 
outoftown said:
I think if MC completely insists in never deviating from 4 2 3 1 , Barlaser probably is 4th pick I'd agree.

However I'd have Silvera as 5th pick outta the wide options??
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Rogers is the only one who has started every game to date in the front 4. And silvera has played every match since the opener. God knows what MC is seeing in them for them to displace McGree and Forss.

Greenwood looked a bit promising today. He drove into the area once which created Laths best chance and hit a decent effort from about 20 yards which I think is something we've been lacking.

Based on that I would give him a go at no10 with Mcgree and Forss either side of him.
 
Todays defeat has sweet FA to do with formations

The team is fluid anyway, we don't play with a rigid formation so it can be whatever formation you want at any given phase of play

If you don't understand how football works after say 15-20 years watching you never will
 
Gunslinger said:
Todays defeat has sweet FA to do with formations

The team is fluid anyway, we don't play with a rigid formation so it can be whatever formation you want at any given phase of play

If you don't understand how football works after say 15-20 years watching you never will
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If you read the op it's about changing the style with a new formation.
 
alvez_49 said:
If you read the op it's about changing the style with a new formation.
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The formation has nothing to do with the results

Pause the game at any second you like and we can look at the average positiosn of each player

No idea what people mean when they say lets play this or this as if it makes any difference, its the same conversation now for the last 20 years

It is the exact same formation as we used last season when for 6 months we were easily the best team in the league, its players that count and
the performance of the players, agressiveness, attitude, positivity, not some abstract number that people can stick little round magnetic magnets
on a white board to show were players have to stand when they kick off
 
Gunslinger said:
Todays defeat has sweet FA to do with formations

The team is fluid anyway, we don't play with a rigid formation so it can be whatever formation you want at any given phase of play

If you don't understand how football works after say 15-20 years watching you never will
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Really?

If we started with latte lath and coburn up top , then either can slip seamlessly into a number 10 like chuba played ?

Silvera dropping into a wing back ? He provides less support to the RB than our lasses hold it in knickers

It's IMHO overly ridgid currently ( the formation that is 🤣 ) and the opposition can spend all week knowing we're going with 4 - 2 - 3 - 1
( without any height / power / physicality in the 2 or 3 or 1 )
 
Gunslinger said:
The formation has nothing to do with the results

Pause the game at any second you like and we can look at the average positiosn of each player

No idea what people mean when they say lets play this or this as if it makes any difference, its the same conversation now for the last 20 years

It is the exact same formation as we used last season when for 6 months we were easily the best team in the league, its players that count and
the performance of the players, agressiveness, attitude, positivity, not some abstract number that people can stick little round magnetic magnets
on a white board to show were players have to stand when they kick off
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Formation definitely matters. Yes it's fluid but it still dictates which players are on the pitch and which area of the pitch they play.

But there's also more to a system than just the formation. How direct we play opposed to a patient build up. Where we press the ball when we aren't in possession etc.

At the moment our system doesn't suit out players. When you play a possession based game you need to have those special players who can create chances when the opponents have got 9 or 10 men behind the ball. We don't look like we have that quality.

When we don't have the ball we look all over the place. We aren't really pressing them in their own half but we aren't really sitting back in and getting behind the ball either. Lath is trying to close down but the 3 behind him aren't backing him up. They are half arsed closing down which is allowing them to play out from the back easily while still committing men up the pitch so we look short at the back as well. I can't really remember a time we won the ball back in their half today when we were doing that regularly last season and making teams uncomfortable
 
outoftown said:
Really?

If we started with latte lath and coburn up top , then either can slip seamlessly into a number 10 like chuba played ?

Silvera dropping into a wing back ? He provides less support to the RB than our lasses hold it in knickers

It's IMHO overly ridgid currently ( the formation that is 🤣 ) and the opposition can spend all week knowing we're going with 4 - 2 - 3 - 1
( without any height / power / physicality in the 2 or 3 or 1 )
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Yes, we really have power and height last season with forss, archer , mcgree and ramsey in the side, all of them about 5ft 8 and 10 stone
 
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