Boros model for signing players

Dieng is 29, which kind of proves the point we're not exclusively targeting young players.

He's probably a perfect example of if the price is right and it's a proven player at this (or higher) level, then we will still sign the odd player for the first team without any expectation of developing them and selling them for a profit.

But the majority will be players with potential.
 
Finn Azaz - 12 goal contributions for Plymouth the first half of the season.. not they don't have that and we do..
 
festa5 said:
Dieng is 29, which kind of proves the point we're not exclusively targeting young players.

He's probably a perfect example of if the price is right and it's a proven player at this (or higher) level, then we will still sign the odd player for the first team without any expectation of developing them and selling them for a profit.

But the majority will be players with potential.
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Carrick has mentioned having a balance between the young players with potential, and experienced pros, so it's not about age..."The model" is value for money.

It's switching out the Aden Flint, who we spent £8 million on and then sold for £4 million a year later.... for the Darragh Lenihan who we recruited on a free transfer.
Switching out the George Saville, who we also spent £8 million on and then sold back to the same club for less than £2 million.... for the £1 million Dan Barlasar.

When these £8 million players didn't set the league on fire, it set the club back 2-3 years because we can't afford to replace them.

If we sign 8 players for £1 million each instead of the one player for £8 million - We only need a 25% success rate to have an overall improvement.

Van Den Berg - reported ~1m
Rogers - reported ~1-2m
Silvera - reported ~500k
Lenihan - Free
Smith - Free
Gilbert - Free
Bangura - 700k
Barlasar - 1m
 
Ash88 said:
Carrick has mentioned having a balance between the young players with potential, and experienced pros, so it's not about age..."The model" is value for money.

It's switching out the Aden Flint, who we spent £8 million on and then sold for £4 million a year later.... for the Darragh Lenihan who we recruited on a free transfer.
Switching out the George Saville, who we also spent £8 million on and then sold back to the same club for less than £2 million.... for the £1 million Dan Barlasar.

When these £8 million players didn't set the league on fire, it set the club back 2-3 years because we can't afford to replace them.

If we sign 8 players for £1 million each instead of the one player for £8 million - We only need a 25% success rate to have an overall improvement.

Van Den Berg - reported ~1m
Rogers - reported ~1-2m
Silvera - reported ~500k
Lenihan - Free
Smith - Free
Gilbert - Free
Bangura - 700k
Barlasar - 1m
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Hmmm partially agree with this but there's other factors. The 8 x salaries will be much more than 1 x salary. So it's not as straight forward as 1 x £8mil player costs the same as 8 x £1mil players. So the yearly cost of those 8 players is not the same as the yearly cost of 1 x £8mil player if you pro rata the transfer fee.

The other thing is we would need to be much better with our recruitment than 25% success. Probably closer to 50%. Lets just say we bring in 8 players each year with a 25% success rate of players becoming good competative Championship players. That's two each season. In the next 8 months, I would expect to lose 3 or 4 good championship players. Hackney / Crooks / McNair / Howson. There's also potentially Smith.

So we need 4 players to come good out of those signings just to status quo. And let's be honest it's unlikely there's another Hackney amongst them.
 
B_G said:
Hmmm partially agree with this but there's other factors. The 8 x salaries will be much more than 1 x salary. So it's not as straight forward as 1 x £8mil player costs the same as 8 x £1mil players. So the yearly cost of those 8 players is not the same as the yearly cost of 1 x £8mil player if you pro rata the transfer fee.

The other thing is we would need to be much better with our recruitment than 25% success. Probably closer to 50%. Lets just say we bring in 8 players each year with a 25% success rate of players becoming good competative Championship players. That's two each season. In the next 8 months, I would expect to lose 3 or 4 good championship players. Hackney / Crooks / McNair / Howson. There's also potentially Smith.

So we need 4 players to come good out of those signings just to status quo. And let's be honest it's unlikely there's another Hackney amongst them.
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Depends how you define "success" though doesn't it?

It's a sliding scale. As long as we don't end up signing absolute puddings for much more than they're worth, any player we make any sort of profit on or who nails down a start in a successful team is a success.

I think the vast majority of the summer signings we'd at least get our money back on. A couple (Rogers and VDB) we'd make a tidy profit on if we sold them tomorrow, but possibly a lot more in 1-2 seasons time.

Gilbert is the only definite failure so far. If we were to take a loss on any of the others it'd be a small one. All have potential though.

With the right scouting I don't think it's that hard to sign players who make you a bit of a profit on transfer fee. The difficult bit is finding the one or two jewels who make you a fortune and allow you to be a bit more ambitious and take a bit more of a risk (or even hopefully get you promoted).

Although the days of blowing the sort of fees and wages Monk was responsible for are well behind us.
 
It's about getting value over the long term and not trying to just buy ready made. Ready made players have already appreciated in value to the point the only way is down (in terms of value). Buying cheap players means they have room to increase in value, even if it's not 10x value that's ok. Buying someone as good as Howson, McNair etc but at £1m instead of £6m is a less risky strategy as buying players for £5m that might be worth £30m but you get the same return on investment.

Also, the big change is not loaning expensive PL loans and developing other teams assets when we could be developing our own instead. We paid a big premium last year so Villa could sell Archer and Ramsey for £40m+ and Wolves could sell Giles. If Mowatt had been even half decent early last season we wouldn't have seen Hackney and now we have a potentially £20m+ asset of our own.
 
Mayor Goldie Wilson said:
I don't really think we are short of senior pros when everyone is fit. Dieng, Smith, Lenihan, McNair, Howson, Crooks can all be classed as senior players, even possibly Fry who, despite being a bit of a biff has captained the side, It's just we never have everyone fit.
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What's a 'biff'?
 
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