But the ball went backwards ref!

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WilliamMunny

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I was genuinely amazed that Eric Dier argued this point to the referee in defence of the Kane goal ruled out for offside. Then even more amazed to find Rio Ferdinand, Jamie O'Hara and several other pundits state the same thing. Looking at comments online, it seems that half the country thinks there is an actual rule about this.

I'm 48 and to my knowledge the direction of the ball has never been relevant to offside, so why do so many people, including the majority of players it seems, think you can't be offside if the ball goes backwards?
 
WilliamMunny said:
I was genuinely amazed that Eric Dier argued this point to the referee in defence of the Kane goal ruled out for offside. Then even more amazed to find Rio Ferdinand, Jamie O'Hara and several other pundits state the same thing. Looking at comments online, it seems that half the country thinks there is an actual rule about this.

I'm 48 and to my knowledge the direction of the ball has never been relevant to offside, so why do so many people, including the majority of players it seems, think you can't be offside if the ball goes backwards?
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WilliamMunny said:
I was genuinely amazed that Eric Dier argued this point to the referee in defence of the Kane goal ruled out for offside. Then even more amazed to find Rio Ferdinand, Jamie O'Hara and several other pundits state the same thing. Looking at comments online, it seems that half the country thinks there is an actual rule about this.

I'm 48 and to my knowledge the direction of the ball has never been relevant to offside, so why do so many people, including the majority of players it seems, think you can't be offside if the ball goes backwards?
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"A player is in an offside position if any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent"

It is a rule.
If you're behind the ball when it's played, you're not offside.
It's one of the first things mentioned in the offside laws.

The issue here is that VAR decided that Kane was ahead of the ball, nothing else.
 
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WilliamMunny said:
I was genuinely amazed that Eric Dier argued this point to the referee in defence of the Kane goal ruled out for offside. Then even more amazed to find Rio Ferdinand, Jamie O'Hara and several other pundits state the same thing. Looking at comments online, it seems that half the country thinks there is an actual rule about this.

I'm 48 and to my knowledge the direction of the ball has never been relevant to offside, so why do so many people, including the majority of players it seems, think you can't be offside if the ball goes backwards?
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Because they are idiots and they don't know the rules. Same around handball, diving and contact and all the others they regularly get wrong. This is why the suggestion that VAR should be run by ex-pros doesn't make sense.
 
I personally thought that the ball had to be played forwards for a player to be offside. Little did I know!

So technically, you could play a ball to a team mate from the penalty spot of the opposition's goal to the halfway line (kicking towards your own goal) and the receiving player could be offside.

Mad.
 
CarrickBall said:
I personally thought that the ball had to be played forwards for a player to be offside. Little did I know!

So technically, you could play a ball to a team mate from the penalty spot of the opposition's goal to the halfway line (kicking towards your own goal) and the receiving player could be offside.

Mad.
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Yes, but that player would have to be stood beyond the penalty spot and run back as fast as the ball to get there before anyone else so that isn't realistic.

A more realistic example is: a player stood with the keeper 3 yards from goal before a free kick inline with the 6 yards line that goes to the middle of the box 8 yards from goal, who runs back to 8 yards out to challenge for the ball.
 
CarrickBall said:
I personally thought that the ball had to be played forwards for a player to be offside. Little did I know!

So technically, you could play a ball to a team mate from the penalty spot of the opposition's goal to the halfway line (kicking towards your own goal) and the receiving player could be offside.

Mad.
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You do have to be ahead of the ball to be offside.

I'm surprised people are acting like it's not a rule, you see teams scoring 2 on 1 with the goalkeeper every week.

They'd all be disallowed if that wasn't the case.
 
WilliamMunny said:
I'm 48 and to my knowledge the direction of the ball has never been relevant to offside, so why do so many people, including the majority of players it seems, think you can't be offside if the ball goes backwards?
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Don't forget, you've got an advantage here over other football fans. Years of following Boro has made you an expert in backwards and sideways passing.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
In the real world the ball does have to be played forwards for their to be offside doesn't it?

Theoretically I suppose it doesn't but that's getting into the realms of the 8 dart finish.
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No with the lines drawn to measure offside now if as happened here Kane has one foot in front of the ball but the other behind the ball. It can be played backwards to his right foot but his left foot was still offside
 
I thought it was to do with the position of the player as opposed to the direction of the ball.
i.e.
A player isn't offside if he is behind the ball and at least one opposition player when the ball is played. In that situation the ball can be played backwards, forwards or sideways for the player to run onto.
As seen numerous times with 2 on 1 breakaways (as already mentioned).
 
junos_boots said:
No with the lines drawn to measure offside now if as happened here Kane has one foot in front of the ball but the other behind the ball. It can be played backwards to his right foot but his left foot was still offside
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On a related point.

This is why VAR is killing the game, it's ridiculous and what happens when you get a room full of blokes with a love of rules/laws and absolutely zero passion for the sport.

That was a goal all day and night long.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
On a related point.

This is why VAR is killing the game, it's ridiculous and what happens when you get a room full of blokes with a love of rules/laws and absolutely zero passion for the sport.

That was a goal all day and night long.
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VAR got it right, in a big game that could mean £millions to Sporting who now rightly still have a big chance to qualify.

It's a sport with laws, you can't have the passion without them otherwise it's chaos.

Also what about the passion from the Sporting fans when the goal was disallowed? It's not all one way.
 
I had the sound off but it did look like complete chaos at the time, apart from the ref I might add.

You won't be surprised to hear there was also absolute carnage at the end of the Atleti game too, with the ref giving a pen (with assistance of VAR) AFTER the final whistle had been blown, to give Atleti a chance of staying in the competition.

A pen which was subsequently saved with the rebound being headed against the bar. :ROFLMAO:

Never boring with Cholo's men
 
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