Carrick learning.

I don't think he's learned, not that he really needed to, to be honest, I think he's done alright with what he have given him this year. We probably would have got promoted last year had he been in charge all year and had we had the players we had from Jan onwards.
This season went down hill when we started to suffer more injuries and lost players to AFCON and Asia tournaments etc. I just think he's had some of his better tools/ more options back available. Our squad is paper thin on quality, so when we lose key players it causes us big problems.

Against Leicester they were bay far the better side, but couldn't hit a barn door, and we scrapped out a great win.
Plymouth caused us big problems but our individual performances were terrible.
Stoke wasn't as bad, especially as we were away, but again individuals not playing that great
Against Norwich we would have probably got beat if it wasn't for the red, and that was with two up top, at home
Against QPR we didn't set up much differently from recently and could have been 0-2 if it wasn't for Dieng (who was away for all of our bad run), then they seemed to lose heart.

We've played two up top against a couple of teams recently, but we never really had that option for a long time before as Latte was injured, as well as Coburn who would be second choice lone striker. I don't really see Forss as a lone striker, which maybe why he hasn't played there.

We've still tried to play it out from the back, which is the best option I think, but Dieng also has decent distribution so can be more pro-active with that.

We've started to limit the soft goals we concede, especially since Dieng came back.
In all honesty it is nearly impossible in the championship as one of the non-relegated teams to cope with 5-10 first team players out.

You simply can't afford the depth needed.

Finishing top 10 with the injuries we've had will be a decent season for the club.
 
To be fair, the team was so strong last season, especially towards the end, we didn't have to
We did against Coventry…we couldn’t find away to scrape a win against them, the tactics used, Robbins had an answer for.
That’s when experience is needed, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Huddersfield away was another where a lack of experience cost us.
 
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95% of people were saying it on here for weeks, it was never the case of ditching his plan A, just only playing it when he had our best players available to do it. Personally I would have expected a well thought of manager who has won pretty much everything in the game as a player to have learnt the bleeding obvious a bit quicker.
 
We did against Coventry…we couldn’t find away to scrape a win against them, the tactics used, Robbins had an answer for.
That’s when experience is needed, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Huddersfield away was another where a lack of experience cost us.
Dont agree to be honest, kept it level for the home leg, but we missed Howson and Akpom was pretty much lame for most of the second game

They parked the bus, so to speak, and relied on nicking a goal on the break, which they did.

It's incredibly fine margins and they had the rib of the green for sure.
 
Dont agree to be honest, kept it level for the home leg, but we missed Howson and Akpom was pretty much lame for most of the second game

They parked the bus, so to speak, and relied on nicking a goal on the break, which they did.

It's incredibly fine margins and they had the rib of the green for sure.
Huddersfield away and Luton, as well as the 3 last games against Coventry I thought we only knew one way how to play and when it didn’t work? We had no plan B as such.
But I think Carrick will be all the better for this season, he is a young coach and is learning all the time.
But like you say small margins mate, I really think we have a great chance next season will a couple of good additions.
 
Huddersfield away and Luton, as well as the 3 last games against Coventry I thought we only knew one way how to play and when it didn’t work? We had no plan B as such.
But I think Carrick will be all the better for this season, he is a young coach and is learning all the time.
But like you say small margins mate, I really think we have a great chance next season will a couple of good additions.
I agree that he is learning and that can only be a good thing.

This season I think he's had to compromise and be a little more pragmatic given he hasn't had the quality in the team that he did last season, plus we've had done horrendous injuries, including playing without a recognised striker for a while.

Yesterday's performance was one that we wouldn't have seen last season; a bit like Coventry played in the second leg against us in the play offs!

He's still learning and I think the recent sticky patch may have cooled the interest off a few PL clubs, so lots to be optimistic about for sure.
 
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This just shows he is still learning his trade Steve MC claren will be available soon he might be to one to get us promoted even though his time was up last time he left I would give him another chance as I had enough of this league as we are way too long down in this league.
and.....breathe.
 
Noticed last few games we have gone from playing out from the back 95% of the time, to giving it a good lump every now and again. Think it coincides with us being punished by Chelsea so much for it and Seny being back and knowing when to take the heat of the defenders a bit
 
There has been a lot of factors in why our season has been so bad. The start was obviously atrocious and then we started getting significant injuries. The jury is still out for me, he persisted on playing out from the back and it cost us dearly too many times to count this season. His subs in many games have either bewildered or killed our flow when doing well, Sunderland and Preston away spring to mind. Silvera on up top and Forss out wide! I really hope we can strengthen and push on next year and I hope Carrick in the man to do it. I still struggle to see the adulation for him considering the season we've had but I think anybody would be held in the same high regard succeeding Wilder. The Championship should be a more level playing field assuming the 3 promoted teams from last year come straight back down so who knows. We need a starting RB, CM, LW, RW and another striker, not too much to ask for.
 
In all honesty it is nearly impossible in the championship as one of the non-relegated teams to cope with 5-10 first team players out.

You simply can't afford the depth needed.

Finishing top 10 with the injuries we've had will be a decent season for the club.
Absolutely.

In a 46 game season depth is absolutely critical, and sure every team has had injuries or players missing, but I doubt any of the top half teams has had it as bad as us.

Might have been a bit naïve buying loads of players from Asia games/ AFCON also, if we were doing a "project" which wanted quick results, yet in the first actual season to fully test it we have lots of players away. Of course, Carrick isn't picking the players to buy, or doing the buying, so that's not on him. He's just playing the hand he's dealt.
 
There has been a lot of factors in why our season has been so bad. The start was obviously atrocious and then we started getting significant injuries.

The start was bad, but we didn't have a striker un LL arrived, and he took some time to bed in, which is understandable.

The jury is still out for me, he persisted on playing out from the back and it cost us dearly too many times to count this season.

You can lose the ball playing out from the back, or play it long to a striker not geared up for that, and he'll lose it instead, sure you're losing the ball in a better starting position, but you you get zero chance to build up play and pen them back in, so they're back in your half in no time. The end result is similar. People only tend to notice players losing the ball in their own half, yet a punt up field to nobody or clearing a ball out when you should be able to retain possession is almost as bad.

If we launch it forward, it would get picked off by the oppo, for the same reasons as above, we're not geared up for it, so we would score less. If we play out from the back and break the first line then we should have a significant advantage.

16 or so out of the 23 in the squad or whatever should be good enough to break the first line, if they can't do this it means we either have or have bought players who are not good enough. If we bought poor long ball merchants too, the result would be similar.

His subs in many games have either bewildered or killed our flow when doing well, Sunderland and Preston away spring to mind. Silvera on up top and Forss out wide! I really hope we can strengthen and push on next year and I hope Carrick in the man to do it. I still struggle to see the adulation for him considering the season we've had but I think anybody would be held in the same high regard succeeding Wilder. The Championship should be a more level playing field assuming the 3 promoted teams from last year come straight back down so who knows. We need a starting RB, CM, LW, RW and another striker, not too much to ask for.

You have to make subs though, every team has to. Lots of time we've done well is because intensity has been high, but this comes at a cost of having to sub players earlier, sometimes when you really don't want to. We beat Sunderland away 4-0, scored 2 made 2 subs, scored again, made another three subs and then scored again? OR do you mean the home game? That should have been put to bed before we made any subs, and probably would have been if we had a striker. Preston away we were 2-1 down before we made any subs. We should have beat Preston if we put our chances away, but a lack of a Striker hurt us. The problem is the quality of the subs, less so that we make subs when we don't need to.

Forss isn't a lone striker, and is good at chipping in goals from the right, or if we play two up top, but he needs a partner for that.

If playing two up top we need another striker, possibly one who is better than both Latte Lathe and Forss, but equal and them all staying fit would be ok. Jones is fine right wing, he was in great form before he got injured and helps out getting back too.

Most crucial position we need though is a ball winning centre midfielder, and one who is already good enough, and going to get better over the next few years. Good luck finding that though, they're exceptionally rare. I love Johnny, but he's not the answer for 46 games, it's not possible. His game isn't fully ball winning though, he's better going forward/ in possession than that, but it's the destroyer type player we need in the middle to compliment hackney in a 2, or to play the hold role behind Hackney and Barlaser.

We need a RB, I don't mind Ayling or Smith but neither are a long term answer and probably not good enough for a promotion team without some superstars elsewhere making up the shortfall. Happy for Bangura and Engel to fight it out on the LH side. I think Engel is dangerous in his own half (to us), but he puts some good balls in the box and chips in enough on goals, so happy to prioritise other positions first.
 
This just shows he is still learning his trade Steve MC claren will be available soon he might be to one to get us promoted even though his time was up last time he left I would give him another chance as I had enough of this league as we are way too long down in this league.

Troll.
 
Most crucial position we need though is a ball winning centre midfielder, and one who is already good enough, and going to get better over the next few years. Good luck finding that though, they're exceptionally rare. I love Johnny, but he's not the answer for 46 games, it's not possible. His game isn't fully ball winning though, he's better going forward/ in possession than that, but it's the destroyer type player we need in the middle to compliment hackney in a 2, or to play the hold role behind Hackney and Barlaser.
But a "destroyer" type player, wont have the requisite skills to play out from the back. As one or two posters have eloquently put earlier in the post, players traits and skillsets are hugely relevant.

You can't just plonk any old "centre mid" in there and expect the team to function in a very specific, tactical manner. One of the reasons for our downturn is the current centre-mids inability to take the ball effectively on the half turn and to create angles to beat the press.
 
I think he made something of a rod for his own back last season by doing so well last year.
I know we don't talk about messiahs at this club, but I suspect some had expectations of him that were beyond reasonable.

The injuries have been bad this year; by contrast they were minimal last year until Ramsey's season ended.

He's also suffered in the short term from the change in transfer policy. We were in the Now! Now! Now! era of loaning half our team last year; failure to get promoted then set us back massively for this year.
I'm hopeful he'll benefit from a less short-term plan, but that remains to be seen. I'm not going to hold it against him if the long term plan doesn't pay off in the first year.
 
I think he made something of a rod for his own back last season by doing so well last year.
I know we don't talk about messiahs at this club, but I suspect some had expectations of him that were beyond reasonable.

The injuries have been bad this year; by contrast they were minimal last year until Ramsey's season ended.

He's also suffered in the short term from the change in transfer policy. We were in the Now! Now! Now! era of loaning half our team last year; failure to get promoted then set us back massively for this year.
I'm hopeful he'll benefit from a less short-term plan, but that remains to be seen. I'm not going to hold it against him if the long term plan doesn't pay off in the first year.
The trouble now is if we don't get promoted this year a lot of or player's will be leaving so we will be back to scratch that is why you need a experience manager to get you promoted if the club is happy making money out of Jones & our other good players by selling them every year no manager will get us up.
 
The last Manager who got us promoted had no experience in England.
We've had Pulis, Wilder and Warnock since then - dinosaurs.
One was doing a firefighting job.
Neither of the other two succeeded.
 
Dont agree to be honest, kept it level for the home leg, but we missed Howson and Akpom was pretty much lame for most of the second game

They parked the bus, so to speak, and relied on nicking a goal on the break, which they did.

It's incredibly fine margins and they had the rib of the green for sure.

One thing thats rarely mentioned about that game is that Coventry benefitted from a ref who allowed them to kick seven shades out of us.
I don't think it was anything to do with Robins outthinking Carrick.
 
I think he made something of a rod for his own back last season by doing so well last year.
I know we don't talk about messiahs at this club, but I suspect some had expectations of him that were beyond reasonable.

The injuries have been bad this year; by contrast they were minimal last year until Ramsey's season ended.

He's also suffered in the short term from the change in transfer policy. We were in the Now! Now! Now! era of loaning half our team last year; failure to get promoted then set us back massively for this year.
I'm hopeful he'll benefit from a less short-term plan, but that remains to be seen. I'm not going to hold it against him if the long term plan doesn't pay off in the first year.
We were also lucky to an extent with how well the loan signings did. None of them really had truly massive reputations.

Ramsey had underwhelmed at Norwich, Giles fell out of form towards the end of his Blackburn spell. Archer was probably the most highly rated, but even he had just done pretty well at Preston without really tearing up the league.

Don't get me wrong, all were promising signings at the time, but don't think anyone really expected them to have the impact they did. We fancied our chances of signing them permanently at the end of the season, but they almost performed too well.

Carrick made Villa a lot of money.
 
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