Daily Telegraph - Seny Dieng

Frustrating to lose good players. But much better than spending multimillions on duds.
exactly. It's all about turning water into wine, and getting our FFP improved and our squad value up, until eventually we have enough quality across the team to go up.

Transfer business the last couple of years has been pretty bloody good:
- Rogers 1.5m into 16m
- Dieng 2m into 6m
- Rav 300k to 15m
- Silvera 700k to 1.5m
- Engel 1.8m to 1m
- Lath 4m to 4m

Bangura, Azaz, Gilbert, Glover, Agyemang too early to tell.

That's about 14m turned into 46.5m in profit and playing assets. Two more years of this and we would have a huge FFP allowance.

We spent about 12 last summer, think it might be 25+ this year depending on sales.
 
Good business is good business.

Moving forward while selling your best players is possible, but of course very difficult.

I know Brentford get brought up a lot, but I'm not sorry for doing it again. Between us beating hem in play offs and their promotion, they changed every player in their team. They signed and sold Maupay, Konza, Watkins and Behenrama in between, and still kept improving.

I don't want to see SD go; he's just reaching his prime for a GK, and I think 5-6m is a bit cheap. However, there is no one in our squad who I ould not sell if I thought the price was right. None of them are indispensable.

Above all, I don't want to keep a player who doesn't want to be here. No indication SD is in that category right now, but it's up to the club to have that conversation with him.
 
Players move around far more than they used to, particularly the younger less established.

If we have a good track record of making players premier league ready then it means we should have the pick of the upcoming talent.
 
James Trafford went to Burnley for £15m last summer having never kicked a Premier League ball in his career.

Admittedly he is much younger but I think an under contract Dieng must be worth at least half of that before we consider disrupting the squad.
 
It would be the worst thing to happen to us this summer. We wouldn’t get a huge fee and he will be impossible to replace with similar quality
 
Selling Dieng for 4 million would be absolutely pointless. Ok we'd double the fee we paid but we've spent years finding a decent keeper. He's our best since Randolph and he's arguably better as he's excellent with his feet which would appeal to Premier League teams who play out from the back. It should be 10 million minimum but even then I wouldn't be happy to lose someone who I was hoping would be our no1 for years to come. Sadly we're probably not in a position where we could turn down a good fee.
 
You need to include the flops in that too. However, overall still great work.
Has any of this summers signings lost serious value?

Dieng 2m --> 5m+
Glover free --> 500k
Jamie Jones free --> free
Agyemang free --> free
Bangura 700k --> 1m
Engel 2m --> 1m
Gilbert 500k+ --> 200k
Latte Lath 4m --> 4m
Nkrumah 200k --> free
Rogers 1.5m --> 16m
Silvera 600k --> 1m
Rav VDB 300k --> 15m
Azaz 2.5m --> 2m

Thats circa 14.3m turned into 45.7m in profit and assets.


Last years permanent signings weren't bad either:
Barlaser 700k --> 1m
Clarke 2.2m --> 3m
Conteh free --> 150k+
Forss 3m --> 4m
Hoppe 1.5m --> free
Lenihan free --> 2m
Smith free --> free

About 2.75m up.
 
Unless the sale of Chuba funded the purchase of Dieng, VDB and Rogers…
define "funded". There are two elements, the actual available liquid cash to transfer for purchase of a players contract, and FFP.

Reality is we could probably have spent more than we did, significantly more. One of the key gamble points is that when you sell a player the whole guaranteed fee is on your FFP straight away, giving you a greater allowance. But any purchases are amortised over a contract length, usually 3 or 4 seasons. So If you sold a player for 10m, you could gamble and sign 4 players for 10m each on four year contracts and still be within FFP. The problem happens year 2, when you would need another 10m sale to stand still.

From a cash perspective, you don't tend to get the fee all up front. If you sell a player for 10m, it might be paid in 4 installments of 2.5m over 2 seasons, as an example.. That makes an issue when signing players, as you might have a cash imbalance, meaning you need to take loans to complete purchases.

With the repeated big money sales, in recent years, I'd be disappointed if we do not spend significant money in the summer. You can only play the safe strategy so long, and with your FFP being a 3 year window, sales will drop off the allowance after awhile, you have to use it or lose it as far as your FFP budget goes. we are missing a trick if we don't invest heavy this summer.
 
If the 'almost impossible' happens , then he could be playing with us in the Premiership. He is a brilliant Goalie, I would disagree with one of the comments, and say his excellent ball distribution is a good secondary role to even better shot stopping. Which if he was playing for us last year I would have swapped the importance, but this year with this defence and lack of attacking outlets we need a more solid goalie.
 
define "funded". There are two elements, the actual available liquid cash to transfer for purchase of a players contract, and FFP.

Reality is we could probably have spent more than we did, significantly more. One of the key gamble points is that when you sell a player the whole guaranteed fee is on your FFP straight away, giving you a greater allowance. But any purchases are amortised over a contract length, usually 3 or 4 seasons. So If you sold a player for 10m, you could gamble and sign 4 players for 10m each on four year contracts and still be within FFP. The problem happens year 2, when you would need another 10m sale to stand still.

From a cash perspective, you don't tend to get the fee all up front. If you sell a player for 10m, it might be paid in 4 installments of 2.5m over 2 seasons, as an example.. That makes an issue when signing players, as you might have a cash imbalance, meaning you need to take loans to complete purchases.

With the repeated big money sales, in recent years, I'd be disappointed if we do not spend significant money in the summer. You can only play the safe strategy so long, and with your FFP being a 3 year window, sales will drop off the allowance after awhile, you have to use it or lose it as far as your FFP budget goes. we are missing a trick if we don't invest heavy this summer.
What would happen if the player sold had cost 5m and had only been with the club for 12 months on a 4 year contract? Also, the wages for the 4 players costings 10m each will be significantly higher than the player being sold.
 
What would happen if the player sold had cost 5m and had only been with the club for 12 months on a 4 year contract? Also, the wages for the 4 players costings 10m each will be significantly higher than the player being sold.
Well yes, I've purposefully simplified, signing 4 players wages is more than 1.....you could probably sign 3x 10m players and cover wages for the sale of 1x 10 mill player.

I believe the amortisation gets resolved at point of sale. So the whole purchase would then be on FFP. So Sign a player for 10m, on a 4 year contract would be 2.5m/year on FFP. If you sell for 20m after 12 months, then the FFP calculation would have the -7.5m amortisation brought forward, offset with the 20m sale. So

Year 1 -2.5
Year 2 (player is sold): +12.5
Overall profit of 10 on FFP at year 2

Our big sales haven't really had much of an issue with this.

Spence was free so pure profit on FFP at point of sale
Akpom, cost 2.5m amortised over 4 years, sold at year 3, so roughly 650k was taken off the fee we received on FFP.
Rogers, I guess the whole of his 1.5m fee will be in this year but so is the entire fee we received (less City's cut)
 
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