Glover_elbow
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i guess the moral of badiels film is even minorities who suffer racism can also dish it out.
Not knowing or understanding that a word/phrase has racist/homophobic/sexist connotations is different to knowing it does and using it anyway.Why would his intention matter?
Not knowing or understanding that a word/phrase has racist/homophobic/sexist connotations is different to knowing it does and using it anyway.
"Rule of thumb" would be a good example. Some women think its offensive to use this term.
Well I've never heard of the phrase as being sexist or offensive before. So I've looked it up and it turns out the reason it is seen as offensive is not actually true. Not a surprise really as if it were then it wouldn't actually make sense in respect of what it means.Not knowing or understanding that a word/phrase has racist/homophobic/sexist connotations is different to knowing it does and using it anyway.
"Rule of thumb" would be a good example. Some women think its offensive to use this term. There are literally millions of people out there who'd use it completely innocently and don't deserve to be labelled sexist if they do.
So what about the Black and white minstrels?, Al Johnson for instancePeople defending it FFS. He blacked up. There’s this defence of “it happened in the 90s, things have changed a lot since then,” well yeah they have but we knew it was wrong in the 90s well. And the 60s, 70s, 80s.
When Baddiel blacked up for the first time I actually learned about what it meant from our Mam. She used to tape Fantasy Football and we’d watch it on a Saturday morning, before going to the Boro matches. She gasped when Baddiel walked out in black face, I can still remember it clearly. I asked why and she just said “you shouldn’t do that, it’s not a nice thing to do,” which seems fairly tame but I was about 9 or 10.
It’s indefensible. The jokes about Jason Lee’s hairstyle, yeah whatever floats your boat I suppose, I laughed at the pineapple stuff when I was 9 or 10. But the black face is different, very different. It’s disgusting. It’s racism. And Jason Lee is the only person to emerge from any of this with any credit, so more power to him IMO.
What about them?So what about the Black and white minstrels?, Al Johnson for instance
Case in point though. Some women find it offensive, I was pulled up on it once. So do I continue to use it or not?Well I've never heard of the phrase as being sexist or offensive before. So I've looked it up and it turns out the reason it is seen as offensive is not actually true. Not a surprise really as if it were then it wouldn't actually make sense in respect of what it means.
No one going on about them being racist.What about them?
No one going on about them being racist.
I recently dug out an old Sunday Times preview of the season ahead from around 1999-2000.I find some of the views on this thread especially one dimensional.Especially when we had a player in our ranks - Mark Burke- known extensively by Boro fans as Sooty.
Was this right? Of course not. But to compare references from years ago to today is misplaced. The world is a different place. I am sure some who used that terminology for Mark Burke years ago cringe with embarrassment.
On the plus side I don't remember seeing any fans in black face at the gamesI find some of the views on this thread especially one dimensional.Especially when we had a player in our ranks - Mark Burke- known extensively by Boro fans as Sooty.
Was this right? Of course not. But to compare references from years ago to today is misplaced. The world is a different place. I am sure some who used that terminology for Mark Burke years ago cringe with embarrassment.
Yes, once you've pointed out their profound ignorance.Case in point though. Some women find it offensive, I was pulled up on it once. So do I continue to use it or not?
They don’t always instantly accept it though. Before you know it you’re the local misogynist who advocates wife beating! It’s a conundrum, but exactly why I think intent is important.Yes, once you've pointed out their profound ignorance.
One or two blacked up in tribute to Emerson back in the day.On the plus side I don't remember seeing any fans in black face at the games
Yikes. I don't remember that, thank goodness. Couldn't they have just made done with the curly wig?One or two blacked up in tribute to Emerson back in the day.
She reeled off a long list but didn't specifically mention a whole slew of nationalities/groups that are (or could be) discriminated against.Dawn mentioned every single potentially oppressed minority apart from Jews.
It is worthy of mentioning.
When challenged, she, and her colleagues said ‘it was implicit that she meant Jews too’.
Make of that what you will