Day of Reckoning - AJ/Wilder

dontheking said:
Eddie hearn talks some absolute b***ks.
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he comes on the screen, I switched off

Just read this
"On a dramatic night for heavyweight boxing, there was a noticeably low-key atmosphere in the Kingdom Arena, with plenty of empty seats in the 6,000 capacity venue."

Imagine if it was in the UK? It would be a 90k sell out. Glad the Saudis are such sports fans.......
 
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ForssAwakens said:
Parker result doesn’t shock me at all. Wilder has always been garbage against boxers with technical ability. Right hand bailed him out a few times
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Same, Parker was always going to cause Wilder problems, it was whether he had the stamina to keep moving and stay away from the big shots Wilder throws for the whole fight. He could.

The hype around Wilder has been ridiculous for someone without a notable win and who’s never beaten a genuine top 10 opponent. Ortiz has never beaten anyone of note and he was Wilders biggest scalp and barely managed that. Even the Fury fights the only one Fury was in peak condition for was the 2nd one and he absolutely battered Wilder. Wilder got too much credit for knocking down Fury in the first fight when fury was out of shape and still getting back to fitness and the 3rd one where Fury had barely trained and was complacent.
 
Very interesting night of boxing. In terms of the heavyweight bouts - the form backed up Usyk with Joshua destroying Wallin without breaking sweat and Dubois bouncing back to nail down Miller.

Before the Wilder v Parker fight, I thought this might reveal a lot about Wilder regarding what sort of level he is actually at. Considering he's had so many fights, there's not many fighters on his record that you can use as a gauge. It was always suspicious why Wilder doesn't really have any career defining wins on his record. That suspicion turned out to be fully justified going off his performance against Parker.

The Fury form lines are massively damaged now. Wilder and Wallin were made to look quite basic and when you bring Fury's fight against Ngannou into the equation, it doesn't look convincing. The narrative that Fury and Wilder were the clear 1 and 2 in the division has been completely blown apart. That narrative was been pushed hard for a reason - because it was simply never true.
 
JustTheGent said:
Very interesting night of boxing. In terms of the heavyweight bouts - the form backed up Usyk with Joshua destroying Wallin without breaking sweat and Dubois bouncing back to nail down Miller.

Before the Wilder v Parker fight, I thought this might reveal a lot about Wilder regarding what sort of level he is actually at. Considering he's had so many fights, there's not many fighters on his record that you can use as a gauge. It was always suspicious why Wilder doesn't really have any career defining wins on his record. That suspicion turned out to be fully justified going off his performance against Parker.

The Fury form lines are massively damaged now. Wilder and Wallin were made to look quite basic and when you bring Fury's fight against Ngannou into the equation, it doesn't look convincing. The narrative that Fury and Wilder were the clear 1 and 2 in the division has been completely blown apart. That narrative was been pushed hard for a reason - because it was simply never true.
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Wilder is 38 now and not been active for 2 years if you discount the Helenius fight.
Age and ring rust catches up, he’s a far different fighter than the first fury fight which was 5 years ago!
I called the Parker result, wilder is washed and just getting a Saudi pay day.
I fear for fury also with his lifestyle, age and inactivity
 
IMO, it goes like this.

Uysk is at the top of the tree.

AJ best of the rest.

There is some uncertainty regards to Fury, he could be the best, may be behind Uysk, may be behind AJ. A little to inactive / hasn’t fought enough of the top fighters to be certain where he is (that’s my opinion anyway, sure some will disagree).

I think Wilders defeat to Parker proves Wilder is amongst the ‘best of the rest’. Zhang, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, Parker etc.

Of course styles makes fights but when you consider Wilder was beaten by Parker.

Parker has been beaten by Whyte and Joyce. Zhang beat Joyce (twice).

Maybe Wilder is only just top 10.
 
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Heam44 said:
IMO, it goes like this.

Uysk is at the top of the tree.

AJ best of the rest.

There is some uncertainty regards to Fury, he could be the best, may be behind Uysk, may be behind AJ. A little to inactive / hasn’t fought enough of the top fighters to be certain where he is (that’s my opinion anyway, sure some will disagree).

I think Wilders defeat to Parker proves Wilder is amongst the ‘best of the rest’. Zhang, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, Parker etc.

Of course styles makes fights but when you consider Wilder was beaten by Parker.

Parker has been beaten by Whyte and Joyce. Zhang beat Joyce (twice).

Maybe Wilder is only just top 10.
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Styles make fights. As much as I don't like fury he's 100% the man to beat, then usyk then joshua. If usyk and fury don't ever fight though we won't ever know. Zhang is up there, parker wouldn't beat zhang or hrgovic imo. Wilder is not top 10 any more he's finished been too inactive.
 
dontheking said:
Styles make fights. As much as I don't like fury he's 100% the man to beat, then usyk then joshua. If usyk and fury don't ever fight though we won't ever know. Zhang is up there, parker wouldn't beat zhang or hrgovic imo. Wilder is not top 10 any more he's finished been too inactive.
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Yeah I can see why people would think he is the man to beat but I don't think it's a conclusive / clear cut as "hes 100% the man to beat".

If we look at AJ and Fury. They have both fought Klitschko, Whyte and Wallin.

Regards to Klitschko, undoubtedly he was nearly 18 months older when AJ fought him. As to who fought the best version of Klitschko is open to interpretation. It could be argued that Fury fought a fighter in unstoppable form on a 20 fight win streak, and AJ fought a defeated fighter. Equally it could be argued that Fury fought a complacent fighter and AJ fought a rejuvenated hungry again former champ. Either way they both beat him. AJ stopped him but was also put down and nearly beaten. Fury out pointed him.

With Whyte, both stopped him (Fury in round 6 and AJ round 7). Although Fury made much easier work of him. Fury fought a more experienced Whyte. Equally he also fought Whyte when Fury was more experienced (Furys 33rd pro fight). AJ fought the less experienced Whyte, however it was only AJ's 15th fight.

Then comes Wallin, he went the distance with Fury but was stopped in round 5 by AJ. When Fury fought Wallin it was Fury's 5th fight in 15 months, he then went on to beat Wilder twice on the bounce. It could be argued that Fury was in his prime at this point. However AJ made much easier work out of Wallin.

There's no doubt Fury is the more talented and the margin maybe quite significant. However it's also worth considering that there is also a wide margin in AJ's favour when it comes to physical condition / athleticism / discipline etc.

I think Fury would be the bookies favourite vs AJ however I'm not so sure that a Fury win is a forgone conclusion. It's a close fight in my opinion. Hopefully we will get to see it soon.
 
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Heam44 said:
Yeah I can see why people would think he is the man to beat but I don't think it's a conclusive / clear cut as "hes 100% the man to beat".

If we look at AJ and Fury. They have both fought Klitschko, Whyte and Wallin.

Regards to Klitschko, undoubtedly he was nearly 18 months older when AJ fought him. As to who fought the best version of Klitschko is open to interpretation. It could be argued that Fury fought a fighter in unstoppable form on a 20 fight win streak, and AJ fought a defeated fighter. Equally it could be argued that Fury fought a complacent fighter and AJ fought a rejuvenated hungry again former champ. Either way they both beat him. AJ stopped him but was also put down and nearly beaten. Fury out pointed him.

With Whyte, both stopped him (Fury in round 6 and AJ round 7). Although Fury made much easier work of him. Fury fought a more experienced Whyte. Equally he also fought Whyte when Fury was more experienced (Furys 33rd pro fight). AJ fought the less experienced Whyte, however it was only AJ's 15th fight.

Then comes Wallin, he went the distance with Fury but was stopped in round 5 by AJ. When Fury fought Wallin it was Fury's 5th fight in 15 months, he then went on to beat Wilder twice on the bounce. It could be argued that Fury was in his prime at this point. However AJ made much easier work out of Wallin.

There's no doubt Fury is the more talented and the margin maybe quite significant. However it's also worth considering that there is also a wide margin in AJ's favour when it comes to physical condition / athleticism / discipline etc.

I think Fury would be the bookies favourite vs AJ however I'm not so sure that a Fury win is a forgone conclusion. It's a close fight in my opinion. Hopefully we will get to see it soon.
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Like I said styles make fights, I think fury beats joshua from the evidence of the past but joshua is more active, looks fitter, and looks more dangerous at present . Timing is massive when they finally get it on, which is highly unlikely, gotta feeling fury will retire and fight chisora in about year time.
 
it’s too simplistic to say that because Joshua made light work of Wallin and Parker easily beat Wilder that suddenly Fury is crap.

Whyte beat Parker and gave Joshua a scare. Fury smashed him to bits let’s not forget.

Hopefully Fury fights Joshua and Usyk before they are all pensioners and we won’t need “expert” analysis of their respective cvs
 
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Alzi said:
it’s too simplistic to say that because Joshua made light work of Wallin and Parker easily beat Wilder that suddenly Fury is crap.

Whyte beat Parker and gave Joshua a scare. Fury smashed him to bits let’s not forget.
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Another thing into the reckoning is the ability to take a punch or recover from being knocked down, which Fury does very well indeed.
 
Alzi said:
it’s too simplistic to say that because Joshua made light work of Wallin and Parker easily beat Wilder that suddenly Fury is crap.

Whyte beat Parker and gave Joshua a scare. Fury smashed him to bits let’s not forget.

Hopefully Fury fights Joshua and Usyk before they are all pensioners and we won’t need “expert” analysis of their respective cvs
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Not sure if your post was in reply to mine. But if so, I certainly never said Fury was crap.
 
Heam44 said:
Not sure if your post was in reply to mine. But if so, I certainly never said Fury was crap.
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No not yours or anyone in particular. I just thought Saturday didn’t tell us much except Wilder is probably done and Wallin was out of his depth at that level

Good performances from Parker and Joshua though.

Highlight for me was Miller getting retired by Dubois.
 
Even the lads who.lost, won. Massive pay day for them all.

Probably the last for Miller and Wilder who were both disappointing.

AJ looks back to his best. Happy for him. Would love to see him get a crack at Fury in this sort of form
 
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