TeaCider
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Says they've tried to create an environment to improve his mentality problems, and that he can do more.
Djed Spence
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Says they've tried to create an environment to improve his mentality problems, and that he can do more.
This is just the case of another player who has a mad season, believed the hype and stopped putting the work in.
Fulham
Boro
Forest (Loan)
Spurs
Rennes (Loan)
Leeds (Loan)
Genoa (Loan);
Released by the first, bombed out by the second, cashed in on, didn't play and bombed out again, didn't play and was poor when he did, attitude problem, giving up hope but desperately trying.
That's the career timeline and it's becoming sad now
Fulham
Boro
Forest (Loan)
Spurs
Rennes (Loan)
Leeds (Loan)
Genoa (Loan);
Released by the first, bombed out by the second, cashed in on, didn't play and bombed out again, didn't play and was poor when he did, attitude problem, giving up hope but desperately trying.
That's the career timeline and it's becoming sad now
Andy_W
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We almost certainly let him go due to attitude, all the managers he played under had issues with him, which I didn't know at the time but I always thought he looked lazy when he was here. He might have been ok at Forest behind the scenes, who knows, most of it is assumption, but one swallow doesn't make a summer. His attitude after being promoted was also a bit distasteful, digging back at Warnock and then deleting everything boro related when we were the only ones who gave him a chance, very odd, but speaks volumes.
What we do know is Forest didn't really try to sign him (Wilder said they never even put a bid in), when signing known quantities is usually a big thing, especially for teams going up, and they spent an extra £6m on probably a lesser proven right back.
Cooper was bigging up Spence when he had him, but any manager would do that in the press, especially if they know what might happen if he didn't or started saying things as they were.
The way I see it, he's been at 6 different clubs in three seasons and had half of one of those out injured. He looked fairly promising for us, but we loaned him out to a rival, did ok at Forest (over hyped imo), but they never signed him when they easily could have, 4 clubs since then where he's done nothing.
I'd say I wish him the best, but I'll save that for the loads of other talented lads out there who would have snapped up the chance, with a better attitude. I think there's less room in football now, for those who aren't taking things seriously.
Like I said at the time, taking the £12m or whatever it was was the best business I've ever seen us do. I didn't believe for one second we would see the additional amounts. Spurs thought they were having us over by having ~40% of the fee (£8m) performance related, but we were having them over when the initial payment they paid (£12m) was worth more than the player was
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Alzi
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We almost certainly let him go due to attitude, all the managers he played under had issues with him, which I didn't know at the time but I always thought he looked lazy when he was here. He might have been ok at Forest behind the scenes, who knows, most of it is assumption, but one swallow doesn't make a summer. His attitude after being promoted was also a bit distasteful, digging back at Warnock and then deleting everything boro related when we were the only ones who gave him a chance, very odd, but speaks volumes.
What we do know is Forest didn't really try to sign him (Wilder said they never even put a bid in), when signing known quantities is usually a big thing, especially for teams going up, and they spent an extra £6m on probably a lesser proven right back.
Cooper was bigging up Spence when he had him, but any manager would do that in the press, especially if they know what might happen if he didn't or started saying things as they were.
The way I see it, he's been at 6 different clubs in three seasons and had half of one of those out injured. He looked fairly promising for us, but we loaned him out to a rival, did ok at Forest (over hyped imo), but they never signed him when they easily could have, 4 clubs since then where he's done nothing.
I'd say I wish him the best, but I'll save that for the loads of other talented lads out there who would have snapped up the chance, with a better attitude. I think there's less room in football now, for those who aren't taking things seriously.
Like I said at the time, taking the £12m or whatever it was was the best business I've ever seen us do. I didn't believe for one second we would see the additional amounts. Spurs thought they were having us over by having ~40% of the fee (£8m) performance related, but we were having them over when the initial payment they paid (£12m) was worth more than the player was
I'm pretty indifferent to it now. I don't want to crucify the lad as we never really know what is going on with people but ultimately he is nothing to do with us now.
Chappy112
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I don't think he did, he was athletic for sure but that's about it. Defensively poor so couldn't be trusted at right back and nowhere near good enough going forward to be played at right wing, that's probably why he did well at Forest playing wing back. That's the only role he can be useful in for me.
Andy_W
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Yeah, I know what you mean, there could be anything going on I suppose, but equally there may not be.
He just keeps cropping up with new clubs, or there are new comments, it's validation that we made the right decision to sell, for what the initial payment fee was, even if we only get that, it's still a great deal.
If he turns is around and becomes a model pro, then fair play, but there are 100's of others who never even got a chance who will be thinking "wtf is he doing?".
r00fie1
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I thought he looked sharp and precise taking on defenders, but denied himself by being a little lazy. Definitely got the talent. But then, Wingy and Coulson looked exciting potential when they first played. Like Warnock said: its either the Premier League or non-league for him.
One thing that sticks in my head on Spence. I was at the Forest Huddersfield play-off final in hospitality through work. Same lounge as all the players families from both teams. After the game, all of the Forest squad were up in the lounge still in their kits celebrating with family. Spence, who had a load of people at the game all in Forest shirts with his name on, was nowhere to be seen, even an hour after the game when we eventually left. Then his tweet to Warnock appears. Sad.