Dramatic over reaction to referee's

Corco65

Corco65

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Yes there were some questionable decisions but there always have been and always will be. We didn't deserve to lose performance wise and the penalty happened right at the end which makes it more frustrating.

But some of the comments about yesterday's referee being a cheat and the personal insults are way over the top.

Referee's make decisions in real time, they do their best and yes sometimes get it wrong but vast majority of the time will get it right. You only have to consider some of the VAR decisions and how sometimes even after watching something so many times in slow speed at so many different angles, it is still difficult to decide and some of the watching pundits reach a different conclusion. Referee's aee thrown into the spotlight they are not seeking it, if you can't trust the integrity of the referee then the game is lost. I accept referee's are fallible and are not conspiring against anyone.

I think the majority of the time they do a brilliant job given the pressure they are under from the players, managers, fans plus the TV scrutiny. It doesn't matter how long you have done it or what level you reach there is always be potential for an error or a different view when discretion is applied. I don't know if anyone one has tried refereeing but it is a thankless task.

I hope our fan base are not copying the example of NW with his constant and unnecessary berating of officials, it's not a good look, makes no difference and in my opinion totally in appropriate.
 
I think what was most frustrating was his change of mind on both the big decisions - initially he didn’t see anything wrong with the Bollaise challenge then blew as the ball went into the net. Likewise with the pen at the end, corner given then changes his mind.
You know he’s had a stinker when the neutral commentators are criticising his decisions.

just feels like there was some sort of agenda yesterday.
 
I think personal insults and accusations of them being a cheat are unnecessary, although I think the vast majority of people commenting haven't done that though.

There is an issue with the standard of officiating at championship level in recent seasons, I don't think there's anything wrong pointing that out. Not sure what the solution is, but when assistant referees are making huge match defining decisions from the other side of the pitch that turn out to be incorrect (for example) there's clearly a problem. That shouldn't be happening but it seems to be happening more frequently. A culture issue maybe? Assistant refs feeling like they need to get more involved to progress perhaps?

The "don't give it unless you're pretty sure" approach that refs should be using seems to have been replaced by a "best guess" approach. There also seems to be a shocking lack of common sense applied at times. Not sure if no fans is also adding to the problem as someone has suggested.

Either way, for the level of the sport and the money involved, it's not good enough.
 
The Sav tackle was initially given as a corner by a man standing close to the action, suddenly it becomes a penalty, allegedly, given by the linesman/4th official. So in my mind the ref has been overruled by a 3rd party nowhere near the action. The ref must have seen the travel of the ball at which Sav hit it and to be overruled just makes the Ref look weak and have no control or belief in his own actions.

The 4th official should be watching the play some 10 seconds behind the play and then give his/her verdict rather than shooting from the hip. I mean what else does he do in the game. The Ref seemed to swayed by the Swansea players for pen as well. Did Cooper have the 4th official ear as well for the pen.
 
festa5 said:
I think personal insults and accusations of them being a cheat are unnecessary, although I think the vast majority of people commenting haven't done that though.

There is an issue with the standard of officiating at championship level in recent seasons, I don't think there's anything wrong pointing that out. Not sure what the solution is, but when assistant referees are making huge match defining decisions from the other side of the pitch that turn out to be incorrect (for example) there's clearly a problem. That shouldn't be happening but it seems to be happening more frequently. A culture issue maybe? Assistant refs feeling like they need to get more involved to progress perhaps?

The "don't give it unless you're pretty sure" approach that refs should be using seems to have been replaced by a "best guess" approach. There also seems to be a shocking lack of common sense applied at times. Not sure if no fans is also adding to the problem as someone has suggested.

Either way, for the level of the sport and the money involved, it's not good enough.
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Absolutely bang on
 
Norfolkred1 said:
The Sav tackle was initially given as a corner by a man standing close to the action, suddenly it becomes a penalty, allegedly, given by the linesman/4th official. So in my mind the ref has been overruled by a 3rd party nowhere near the action. The ref must have seen the travel of the ball at which Sav hit it and to be overruled just makes the Ref look weak and have no control or belief in his own actions.

The 4th official should be watching the play some 10 seconds behind the play and then give his/her verdict rather than shooting from the hip. I mean what else does he do in the game. The Ref seemed to swayed by the Swansea players for pen as well. Did Cooper have the 4th official ear as well for the pen.
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I don't believe the referee can be "over ruled". It's his decision to make and if he decides to make that decision based on 3rd party information and not trust his initial interpretation with full view of the incident then he should be held accountable for that.
 
The OP's sentiments are correct. As I've said on another thread, I work with a great lad who is also a League One and Two referee. He's very professional and wants to perform at his very best. The last thing any ref wants is to get the key decisions wrong. They do make mistakes though and yesterday the ref made two massive mistakes that directly changed the game.

VAR is definitely the way forward for football as it stops clear mistakes last yesterday impacting the result. If VAR was in place Boro score with Bola and get a free kick instead of conceding a penalty.
 
I think he was a weak referee who was influenced by Swansea players theatricals,when Bolaise wins the ball the defender jumps in the air in a ridiculous dive probably gave a yelp like a scolded puppy.Even after he gets the decision he still goes on with pretence of being injured. For their supposed penalty his momentum takes him forward but he goes sprawling like he has been shot.I think they no doubt practise going down and seem to hit the floor at every opportunity. Teams like them and Preston with a weak referee make the game unwatchable.
 
Nero said:
The OP's sentiments are correct. As I've said on another thread, I work with a great lad who is also a League One and Two referee. He's very professional and wants to perform at his very best. The last thing any ref wants is to get the key decisions wrong. They do make mistakes though and yesterday the ref made two massive mistakes that directly changed the game.

VAR is definitely the way forward for football as it stops clear mistakes last yesterday impacting the result. If VAR was in place Boro score with Bola and get a free kick instead of conceding a penalty.
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I'm not 100% sure on your last points regarding VAR.

The ref blew his whistle before the ball hit the net. The game has been stopped by the referee, indicated by the blowing of his whistle. VAR, if used in this incident would only have confirmed that. VAR can't allow play on in these circumstances can it?

2nd one the pen. We are over to interpretation. In this case, not if it was a foul, but actually if the ref has made a clear and obviously error in awarding the pen. This is why I don't like VAR in it's current use, as the 4th official may conclude that it isn't a clear and obvious error to award a pen. It's subjective.
 
VAR is (partly) the solution to this for me as well. At present far too many shocking decisions are going unpunished. In % terms, that drops with VAR no question.

Biggest issue for me is around transparency - there seems to be very little recognition of why a particular decision was given, likewise if decisions are reversed the rationale is usually lacking.

As said previously, there is far too much at stake versus the quality of refereeing. Only need to look at other leagues (I watched games in Germany and Italy) to see the vast difference in quality.

If I owned a business that was effectively being penalised by seemingly arbitrary decisions of third-parties with absolute zero transparency I'd be seriously assessing my options.
 
He’s either a cheat or incompetent.

Either way he should find another profession given he made multiple mistakes or is bent which changed the result and made the only neutral party on the pitch the biggest influence on the result and deciding where the three points ended up.

multiple mistakes lead to consequences in most professions, not, it seems, from officiating football matches.
 
the_dormouse said:
I think he was a weak referee who was influenced by Swansea players theatricals,when Bolaise wins the ball the defender jumps in the air in a ridiculous dive probably gave a yelp like a scolded puppy.Even after he gets the decision he still goes on with pretence of being injured. For their supposed penalty his momentum takes him forward but he goes sprawling like he has been shot.I think they no doubt practise going down and seem to hit the floor at every opportunity. Teams like them and Preston with a weak referee make the game unwatchable.
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I agree the players make it more difficult with their play acting and theatrics. It’s cheating.

But we are as guilty as any other team, players like McNair throw themselves to the ground and scream when challenged at every opportunity.

VAR might have changed the decisions yesterday but I still dislike the way it’s changed the game.
 
It wasn’t just the 2 major errors though he started in the 1st minute giving free kicks to Swansea with minimal or no contact whereas Watmorre and Bolasie were given nothing all game.
How many throw ins did he get the wrong way (for both teams).
Either incompetent or corrupt.
Don’t think he will be corrupt so have to settle for incompetent.
It is not good enough for professional sport.
 
Corco65 said:
You only have to consider some of the VAR decisions and how sometimes even after watching something so many times in slow speed at so many different angles, it is still difficult to decide and some of the watching pundits reach a different conclusion.
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Which is why VAR has a defined process. It might drive some people potty, but, it works, it only overturns obvious errors. The reality is VAR has massively reduced the number of officiating failures. It isn't perfect, but no system of governance is, but it's a bloody far sight better than what we have endured this season.
 
Tryasize10 said:
The ref blew his whistle before the ball hit the net. The game has been stopped by the referee, indicated by the blowing of his whistle. VAR, if used in this incident would only have confirmed that. VAR can't allow play on in these circumstances can it?
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chances are the ref wouldn't have blown and then gone to VAR to check. That is how VAR officials are taught to officiate. Let the passage of play complete then make your decision. But if it went to VAR he would have given a penalty.

Tryasize10 said:
2nd one the pen. We are over to interpretation. In this case, not if it was a foul, but actually if the ref has made a clear and obviously error in awarding the pen.
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It was a clear and obvious error, Saville did not break a single law of the game, regardless if he touched the ball or not (I think he did just).
 
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