Dubois vs Joyce

Some really bad pre-fight predictions on here 😂.

Dubois is far too raw to be considered alongside the top heavyweights at the moment. The likes of Joshua and Wilder would annihilate him, Fury would do what Joyce did but 10 times worse and I don't even think he's ready for the likes of Chisora or Whyte.

He might win a world title in the future but only when the above names have retired.

Fair play to Joyce he boxed well, his chin is legitimately world class and he's got a great engine. I think he falls short against the top heavyweights but he's got enough about him to make those fights competitive.

He's talking about an Usyk rematch, I can only see the same outcome as their first fight but there's good money to be made for him in a few big fights if Warren can make them.
 
Nice performance by Joyce. Established his jab (that is obviously heavy) and continually took a step to the right so Dubois had to keep resetting. Dubois was limited to lunging in and forcing his shots, he did have some moments but nothing that seriously troubled Joyce.

Moving forward, Joyce is going to be a live contender. I wouldn't write him off against Fury or Joshua. If Otto Wallin can trouble Fury, Joyce most certainly can. Joyce's durability and clubbing hands could especially cause AJ problems. If AJ started to gas, Joyce could quite likely wear him down. Joyce is a massive natural unit with excellent stamina. AJ would want power and strength in a contest against him but he'd also need stamina. I'm not sure what the emphasis would be on.
 
Thought it was a tad cowardly but it saved himself from more punishment and potential permanent damage. The corner or ref should have made his decision for him

There was a heavy weight on soccer am yesterday who openly admitted he didnt have the commitment in him to train and eat properly who fought dillian whyte. Sounds like he got out of the fight game for the right reasons
 
JustTheGent said:
If Otto Wallin can trouble Fury, Joyce most certainly can.
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Come on, you are taking a poor unmotivated version of Fury to compare him to Joyce.

We all know Fury fights up or down to his level of opponent and if he's motivated and in shape he's on another level to Joyce.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Some really bad pre-fight predictions on here 😂.

Dubois is far too raw to be considered alongside the top heavyweights at the moment. The likes of Joshua and Wilder would annihilate him, Fury would do what Joyce did but 10 times worse and I don't even think he's ready for the likes of Chisora or Whyte.

He might win a world title in the future but only when the above names have retired.

Fair play to Joyce he boxed well, his chin is legitimately world class and he's got a great engine. I think he falls short against the top heavyweights but he's got enough about him to make those fights competitive.

He's talking about an Usyk rematch, I can only see the same outcome as their first fight but there's good money to be made for him in a few big fights if Warren can make them.
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Don't mind holding my hands up to a pretty bad pre-fight prediction. Fair play to JJ. Really good chin and the experience shone through. I love fighters taking these risks however and as someone has alluded too, it's also hats off to DD for taking this fight. We rarely see fighters take big risks and it's hard to judge them effectively as a result. We usually don't see them in the deep end until they're fighting for titles etc...
 
Uwefuchs said:
Come on, you are taking a poor unmotivated version of Fury to compare him to Joyce.

We all know Fury fights up or down to his level of opponent and if he's motivated and in shape he's on another level to Joyce.
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what you are highlighting is that Fury isn't psychological strong, and people like Joyce could cause him serious issues. It's daft to keep making excuses for Fury. He isn't the invincible perfect boxer some fans have spent the last 18 months stating. I reckon he's prime for a beating at some point soon, he gets over-confident, arrogant and lazy at times which isn't good when you've got a 17 stone guy trying punch your face off.
 
BoroMart said:
what you are highlighting is that Fury isn't psychological strong, and people like Joyce could cause him serious issues. It's daft to keep making excuses for Fury. He isn't the invincible perfect boxer some fans have spent the last 18 months stating. I reckon he's prime for a beating at some point soon, he gets over-confident, arrogant and lazy at times which isn't good when you've got a 17 stone guy trying punch your face off.
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I think Fury is extremely psychologically strong. To come back from a lay off after losing 10 stone and get up off the canvas in the 12th round from a Wilder right hand takes some doing. From what I can see his mental strength and self belief are well beyond the norm - even for a champion boxer. For instance, he seems to be much stronger mentally than Klitschko or Joshua have ever been. But Fury is also a businessman and he's not necessarily out to prove himself by beating the best around. His aim is to be perceived as fighting the best around whilst earning the most money, without actually regularly fighting the top contenders. He'll more than likely fight anyone if push comes to shove, but he'd much rather pick and choose his opponents and limit the risk if he can get away with it.
 
BoroMart said:
what you are highlighting is that Fury isn't psychological strong, and people like Joyce could cause him serious issues. It's daft to keep making excuses for Fury. He isn't the invincible perfect boxer some fans have spent the last 18 months stating. I reckon he's prime for a beating at some point soon, he gets over-confident, arrogant and lazy at times which isn't good when you've got a 17 stone guy trying punch your face off.
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I don't need to make excuses for Fury when he's been bad he's stunk the place out but still won, when he is motivated by the big fights he rises to the occasion.

If an opponent was constructing a game plan based based on the Otto Wallin performance they would be making a serious mistake. When has Fury not turned up in a big fight?

If Joyce gets 2 or 3 big wins at world level then there's no way Fury turns up with the mindset he had against Wallin.

We can only judge fighters based on what we've seen so far and at the moment Joyce hasn't fought anyone like Wilder or Klitschko at the pro level.
 
JustTheGent said:
I think Fury is extremely psychologically strong. To come back from a lay off after losing 10 stone and get up off the canvas in the 12th round from a Wilder right hand takes some doing. From what I can see his mental strength and self belief are well beyond the norm - even for a champion boxer. For instance, he seems to be much stronger mentally than Klitschko or Joshua have ever been.
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Absolutely spot on.
JustTheGent said:
But Fury is also a businessman and he's not necessarily out to prove himself by beating the best around. His aim is to be perceived as fighting the best around whilst earning the most money, without actually regularly fighting the top contenders. He'll more than likely fight anyone if push comes to shove, but he'd much rather pick and choose his opponents and limit the risk if he can get away with it.
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Fury has never shirked a big challenge, he took the first Wilder fight when he wasn't in 100% shape, he went to Germany and fought Klitschko. He's had other tough fights on paper like the Chisora fights.

Yeah he's had a few low key fights but thats more of Bob Arum keeping him busy between big fights and milking his cash cow. If it wasn't for Covid we would have likely seen Fury v Wilder 3 and be getting ready for a Joshua fight.

Of course he's a businessman but all fighters are, he's certainly not ducking fights.
 
Uwefuchs said:
I don't need to make excuses for Fury when he's been bad he's stunk the place out but still won, when he is motivated by the big fights he rises to the occasion.

If an opponent was constructing a game plan based based on the Otto Wallin performance they would be making a serious mistake. When has Fury not turned up in a big fight?

If Joyce gets 2 or 3 big wins at world level then there's no way Fury turns up with the mindset he had against Wallin.

We can only judge fighters based on what we've seen so far and at the moment Joyce hasn't fought anyone like Wilder or Klitschko at the pro level.
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Don't really buy this thing about Fury only turning up for the big fights. He's only had 3 world level fights and every fighter is going to be more motivated the higher the stakes. The notion that if Fury struggles against a lesser opponent it's because he hasn't turned up doesn't make sense - he's comfortably beat plenty of them. In the latter half of his career the two fights he has struggled most in are against Cunningham and Wallin. The Cunningham one was his American debut and was a big fight for him at the time. The Wallin one was the second fight on his Top Rank deal. Both were bigger fights than many of his others where he didn't struggle at all.
 
JustTheGent said:
Don't really buy this thing about Fury only turning up for the big fights. He's only had 3 world level fights and every fighter is going to be more motivated the higher the stakes. The notion that if Fury struggles against a lesser opponent it's because he hasn't turned up doesn't make sense - he's comfortably beat plenty of them. In the latter half of his career the two fights he has struggled most in are against Cunningham and Wallin. The Cunningham one was his American debut and was a big fight for him at the time. The Wallin one was the second fight on his Top Rank deal. Both were bigger fights than many of his others where he didn't struggle at all.
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I watched Fury lots of times earlier in his career and he looked average in a lot of his fights. In his two comeback fights before Wilder 1 he looked awful.

A lot of people thought he was going to get seriously hurt in the first Wilder fight but I remember hearing Jamie Moore say that Fury raises his game for the big fights and struggles to get himself motivated for the easy fights.

On a pre fight show on BT sport Moore was one of the few ex fighters and pundits who picked Fury for this very reason. He knew him from the gyms in the past and thought he'd raise his game on the big occasion.
 
All elite competitors will have to raise their game to meet a more testing challenge. But that doesn't mean any prior vulnerabilities they may have previously shown are null and void. Fury didn't look that good in his two comeback fights because of his style of boxing and also the fact they were of course his comeback fights. He was in the process of losing weight and had been out of the ring a long time. He'll have had a much more testing camp for the Wilder fight with sparring, etc, than he needed to fight a couple of unknowns. But this big occasion thing, he's only had three of them and two of those were against the same fighter. It's a false assumption to see Fury in this way. Let's see him against some other top class opponents first. Who wouldn't want to see Fury against AJ, Usyk, Joyce, Whyte, etc.
 
JustTheGent said:
All elite competitors will have to raise their game to meet a more testing challenge. But that doesn't mean any prior vulnerabilities they may have previously shown are null and void. Fury didn't look that good in his two comeback fights because of his style of boxing and also the fact they were of course his comeback fights. He was in the process of losing weight and had been out of the ring a long time. He'll have had a much more testing camp for the Wilder fight with sparring, etc, than he needed to fight a couple of unknowns. But this big occasion thing, he's only had three of them and two of those were against the same fighter. It's a false assumption to see Fury in this way. Let's see him against some other top class opponents first. Who wouldn't want to see Fury against AJ, Usyk, Joyce, Whyte, etc.
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Let's agree to disagree I'm happy to have the same opinion as an ex pro and current pro trainer.
 
JustTheGent said:
I think Fury is extremely psychologically strong. To come back from a lay off after losing 10 stone and get up off the canvas in the 12th round from a Wilder right hand takes some doing. From what I can see his mental strength and self belief are well beyond the norm - even for a champion boxer. For instance, he seems to be much stronger mentally than Klitschko or Joshua have ever been. But Fury is also a businessman and he's not necessarily out to prove himself by beating the best around. His aim is to be perceived as fighting the best around whilst earning the most money, without actually regularly fighting the top contenders. He'll more than likely fight anyone if push comes to shove, but he'd much rather pick and choose his opponents and limit the risk if he can get away with it.
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Very true. People questioning Fury's psychological strength clearly have no idea what they're talking about.
 
I think Frank 'Bricktop' Warren has done a big disservice with DD for me. Rushed him into this fight. Was bigging him up as a bigger,better version of AJ when in realty he has had English level fights so far. The corner diddnt help DD as well. And he has also done JJ a service with post match talking about DD and not the winner.
 
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