Electric cars Depreciation

Just done Boro to Dorset and back on three public charges. (Charged car at home before I left and again at family house before the return.

Total cost for public chargers £70. I couldn’t have done that for that price in an equivalent ICE
 
SmallTown said:
If I was being pedantic I'd point out it was "you're" 🤣

And I'm sorry but it is a fact that your journey won't average 70 mph.

So you say there are "clear issues" can you say what these are please. I have a feeling any "issues" are over stated, exaggerated, the same as ICE vehicles or plain incorrect. I'd be interested to know what issues you think there are and see if you are correct
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Are you telling me your happy with the current charging infrastructure and you may want to stop and wait for your car to charge when doing a long journey.
We rarely do and if we do its a 5 min comfort break then we are back on the road, personally I would rather spend my time with our loved ones than drinking expensive coffee in a soulless service station waiting for the car to fill up its range.
So clearly the range of current EV'S are an issue too me.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Just done Boro to Dorset and back on three public charges. (Charged car at home before I left and again at family house before the return.

Total cost for public chargers £70. I couldn’t have done that for that price in an equivalent ICE
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Out of interest how long did it take?

And I recon you could I also live in Dorset and it cost me about £100 in a VW Van so I'm sure there are a few small cars that could do the journey for £70
 
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SmallTown said:
And I'm sorry but it is a fact that your journey won't average 70 mph.
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I'm not sure what your point is .The reason we talked about motorway driving because on MG's own website they state the range of there base EV is 160 miles. You would assume they have tested the car in motorway conditions and its them who provided the figures.
 
Redpete said:
I'm not sure what your point is .The reason we talked about motorway driving because on MG's own website they state the range of there base EV is 160 miles. You would assume they have tested the car in motorway conditions and its them who provided the figures.
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Car makers quote WLTP figures. It's good that they all use the same benchmark but I have never in two years managed to drive my car more than 80% of the WLTP figure. The closest I've got was 79% and the battery was showing 0% when I got home.

Just deduct 25% off the claimed range to find your realistic range.
 
Redpete said:
Are you telling me your happy with the current charging infrastructure and you may want to stop and wait for your car to charge when doing a long journey.
We rarely do and if we do its a 5 min comfort break then we are back on the road, personally I would rather spend my time with our loved ones than drinking expensive coffee in a soulless service station waiting for the car to fill up its range.
So clearly the range of current EV'S are an issue too me.
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OK we are getting somewhere. Yes the infrastructure needs improving. It's nowhere near as bad as you think but it is something we must improve upon. Especially destination charging and on street charging. In my car it takes 11 minutes to recharge sufficiently on a trip fron london to Teesside. In other words the length of the country. Its almost a challenge to get a family in to a services, all refreshed in 5 minutes. By the time you are back out your car will be ready. As I have pointed out numerous times no one "fills up" at a rapid. It makes no sense.

If you don't mind me asking, how often do you do this long journey?
 
Redpete said:
I'm not sure what your point is .The reason we talked about motorway driving because on MG's own website they state the range of there base EV is 160 miles. You would assume they have tested the car in motorway conditions and its them who provided the figures.
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My point is EV like all cars, use more fuel at higher speeds. So talking about 70 moh average journeys makes no sense
 
Soutra said:
Car makers quote WLTP figures. It's good that they all use the same benchmark but I have never in two years managed to drive my car more than 80% of the WLTP figure. The closest I've got was 79% and the battery was showing 0% when I got home.

Just deduct 25% off the claimed range to find your realistic range.
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What car do you have? This figures seem either terrible or exaggerated. My car has a WLTP of 302 miles and I can often get 280 miles out of it. I'd be unhappy at 3/4 range myself
 
Redpete said:
We all know if you set your cruise control at 70 on a motorway you will be overtaken by more cars then you overtake.

Again your just been pedantic.

I am not anti EV I really wanted the Mrs to get one as I have said many times it would be perfect for her daily commute but the ones in our price range would not be suitable for her when she visits her friends.


We will reconsider in the future when hopefully the range and infrastructure has improved.

But then I suppose that's the crux, why buy an EV now when there are clear issues.
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Next time you do a trip look at your average mileage door to door. It won't be anywhere near 70mph.

In fact If I calculate the average speed via google maps from Middlesbrough to Coventry setting off now, it's 3 hours 1 minute - 171 miles. A journey calculator tells you that's an average speed of 56.69mph door to door, so the range of motorway miles won't be anything the like figure to use as that's not really what you're doing it'a combined.

In fact seeing your posts you're from Dorset, this route Dorset to Coventry is 145 miles and seems to use a route where the longest stretch before a roundabout or change would be about 12 miles


145 miles, 3 hours 12 minutes - average speed 42.43mph. Or there's a route above in 3 hours similar Tom pronto Dorset but a couple miles less, again way less than mph tested

But even if that was the case, your use case of needing a car that can do that journey regularly is well beyond what the average driver needs a car for. By your own admission it's well beyond what you need a car for because it's only to be used occasionally in that way when visiting friends.
 
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ThatFragranceGuy said:
145 miles, 3 hours 12 minutes - average speed 42.43mph. Or there's a route above in 3 hours similar Tom pronto Dorset but a couple miles less, again way less than mph tested
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just looked myself and used mine and our friends postcodes according to google maps its 144 miles and is expected to take 2hrs 22 mins . which works out at 63 mph. I said it takes me about 2 1/4 hours which is backed up by google maps.

Your example is from deepest darkest Dorset and to be honest in the summer it would take 3 hours to get too your start point to our home. And your A354 route is basically down country lanes

I dont see why I need to explain myself though .


I am not really looking to argue I wanted the Mrs to get an electric car but her one and only stipulation is it has to be able to drive to her friends without stopping.

Whilst I was doing the research I was very surprised with the motorway range of the MG which only gives a 16 mile buffer.

Out of interest how does the range and charging ability stand up with older cars the reason I ask is as I said I went to the QPR match in his Tesla Model S which must be 6-7 years old and his range at 80% full was just under 200 miles and I dont doubt what Small Town says but its only 70 miles from us to Fleet services, we stated charging the car went to the Loo got a coffee sauntered about a bit then I played a game of chess on the dash and it just about got back to 80% .
 
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SmallTown said:
That's shocking. Are you driving it hard? It's a mega powerful car
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Redpete said:
I have

just looked myself and used mine and our friends postcodes according to google maps its 144 miles and is expected to take 2hrs 22 mins . which works out at 63 mph. I said it takes me about 2 1/4 hours which is backed up by google maps.

Your example is from deepest darkest Dorset and to be honest in the summer it would take 3 hours to get too your start point to our home.

I dont see why I need to explain myself though .


I am not really looking to argue I wanted the Mrs to get an electric car but her one and only stipulation is it has to be able to drive to her friends without stopping.

Whilst I was doing the research I was very surprised with the motorway range of the MG which only gives a 16 mile buffer.

Out of interest how does the range and charging ability stand up with older cars the reason I ask is as I said I went to the QPR match in his Tesla Model S which must be 6-7 years old and his range at 80% full was just under 200 miles and I dont doubt what Small Town says but its only 70 miles from us to Fleet services, we stated charging the car went to the Loo got a coffee sauntered about a bit then I played a game of chess on the dash and it just about got back to 80% .
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How often does she do the journey. Thays what you want to ask yourself.

Also I think the Tesla will be nerfed. They did this with the free supercharger ones to discourage use. Also Also did you need 80% to continue your journey ? That seems an awful lot
 
SmallTown said:
How often does she do the journey. Thays what you want to ask yourself.

Also I think the Tesla will be nerfed. They did this with the free supercharger ones to discourage use. Also Also did you need 80% to continue your journey ? That seems an awful lot
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She would simply answer why would I buy a car for 30K plus that cant get me to where I want to go.
Even if it only once a year which its not what are you suggesting instead?
I did buy her an electric bike maybe she could use that. LOL.

Re My mates Tesla it works for him fine as he doesn't use it for long journeys he has a diesel Renault Kangoo for that.;)
 
Redpete said:
She would simply answer why would I buy a car for 30K plus that cant get me to where I want to go.
Even if it only once a year which its not what are you suggesting instead?
I did buy her an electric bike maybe she could use that. LOL.

Re My mates Tesla it works for him fine as he doesn't use it for long journeys he has a diesel Renault Kangoo for that.;)
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It can get you where you want to go, though. I've done two 2500km journeys in mine.
And the model s is a long range car. You still haven't answered why he needed to charge to 80%? Seems like use error rather than a car issue
 
Redpete said:
Out of interest how long did it take?

And I recon you could I also live in Dorset and it cost me about £100 in a VW Van so I'm sure there are a few small cars that could do the journey for £70
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Two stops on way down… total time 40 mins (one stop for breakfast 30 mins… one stop for a loo break 10 mins)

One stop way back (45 mins for lunch)

The two longer stops were that as we were eating… the car was actually charged before we were ready to leave

I drive between 70 and 80mph. Only use the cruise through roadworks as the 50 limits drive me mad
 
SmallTown said:
t can get you where you want to go, though. I've done two 2500km journeys in mine.
And the model s is a long range car. You still haven't answered why he needed to charge to 80%? Seems like use error rather than a car issue
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Not without potential having to stop and charge and she doesn't want to have to do that.
I would also assume as you didn't really answer but as the car and batteries get older then the expected range will also drop so over time that 16 mile buffer will reduce.
Would you let your nearest and dearest undertake a 140+ mile journey knowing they dont want to have too stop and only having a spare 16 miles on the manufacturers expected range?

And before you say she can use Google maps to find a charging point in an emergency she doesn't know how to use Google maps.

I dont know why he charged back to 80% it seemed weird to me. It might just be because he got it for free he felt he had to make use of it. But again I didn't ask.
 
SmallTown said:
What car do you have? This figures seem either terrible or exaggerated. My car has a WLTP of 302 miles and I can often get 280 miles out of it. I'd be unhappy at 3/4 range myself
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That can't be in all conditions. I have BMW and the quoted range is 285 but really that's between 190 and 240 depending on the time of year. Low temperatures make a really big difference.
 
Nano said:
That can't be in all conditions. I have BMW and the quoted range is 285 but really that's between 190 and 240 depending on the time of year. Low temperatures make a really big difference.
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Yeah out BMW is 285 but I have struggled to get 210 over winter.

This run yesterday was the highest I’ve seen since last summer… 202 miles was indicated on the range for a 200 mile journey. By the time I hit Barnsley I had 40 miles extra and by the time I was home 55 miles left.
 
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