Heam44
Well-known member
Couple point I’d like to make:
1 - I’ve seen 3 pieces of CCTV. 2 were certainly inconclusive. 1 looked like the van was pursuing the bike (although that doesn’t mean they were).
2 - not all cops are allowed to pursue vehicles. You must undergo specialist training to do so.
3 - I know that both West Yorkshire and Durham police do not allow cops to pursue vehicles whilst driving a van. Obvs not sure if that applied to the force involved in this incident.
4 - Just because the cops were 500m away when the accident occurs, doesn’t mean they weren’t chasing them or had been chasing them only a couple of minutes earlier. Obviously when the likes of bikes / motorbikes etc go through alleys etc the police often have to go ‘the long way round’.
5 - some cops who don’t have the ‘initial phase pursuit’ training (which allows them to ‘chase’ vehicles) and cops who do but are in a van therefore not allowed to chase vehicle (in W.Yorks and Durham anyway) have been known to drive in the same direction as the ‘suspects’ whilst radioing for assistance from colleagues who are allowed to pursue vehicles. Obviously this is a bit of a ‘naughty grey area’ which if this is the case could end up landing the cops in big trouble depending on exactly what they did / didn’t do etc.
6 - Again I have no idea about SW police however in West Yorks police all of the vehicles had a device in which could show exactly where the vehicles had been, and how they’d been driven I.e speed / acceleration / braking etc. Durham does not although they have dash and which aren’t as good for a number of reasons that I cannot be bothered to explain. West Yorks also have Dash cams.
In conclusion, I have no idea if the police were chasing them. But thought I’d add the above to the debate.
1 - I’ve seen 3 pieces of CCTV. 2 were certainly inconclusive. 1 looked like the van was pursuing the bike (although that doesn’t mean they were).
2 - not all cops are allowed to pursue vehicles. You must undergo specialist training to do so.
3 - I know that both West Yorkshire and Durham police do not allow cops to pursue vehicles whilst driving a van. Obvs not sure if that applied to the force involved in this incident.
4 - Just because the cops were 500m away when the accident occurs, doesn’t mean they weren’t chasing them or had been chasing them only a couple of minutes earlier. Obviously when the likes of bikes / motorbikes etc go through alleys etc the police often have to go ‘the long way round’.
5 - some cops who don’t have the ‘initial phase pursuit’ training (which allows them to ‘chase’ vehicles) and cops who do but are in a van therefore not allowed to chase vehicle (in W.Yorks and Durham anyway) have been known to drive in the same direction as the ‘suspects’ whilst radioing for assistance from colleagues who are allowed to pursue vehicles. Obviously this is a bit of a ‘naughty grey area’ which if this is the case could end up landing the cops in big trouble depending on exactly what they did / didn’t do etc.
6 - Again I have no idea about SW police however in West Yorks police all of the vehicles had a device in which could show exactly where the vehicles had been, and how they’d been driven I.e speed / acceleration / braking etc. Durham does not although they have dash and which aren’t as good for a number of reasons that I cannot be bothered to explain. West Yorks also have Dash cams.
In conclusion, I have no idea if the police were chasing them. But thought I’d add the above to the debate.