F*CK VAR

I guess it boils down to whether fans are willing to accept the idea that these sort of decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of the season.

Some may feel that VAR will ruin their matchday experience, but is it really going to ruin the matchday experience to the same extent that having inept officials does. The standard is appalling at this level. How the linesman didn't spot that their player was offside for the third goal is beyond me.
 
it was a very entertaining game on tv. and not having var is a major reason for that - all action, fast flowing, no var-begging histrionics, some mistakes yes - that affected both teams - that added to the excitement of the game, not detracted. football as it should be played.
 
It wasn't just offside. It was so offside that it is absolutely ridiculous. The other incidents that were more marginal, like Bamford's goal, might have been chalked off with technology. I'm never going to agree that horrifically poor officiating is better than the alternative. I think people are being deliberately stubborn to argue that this is even defendable.

It was a nothing match for us but it could have easily been something to prevents us getting into the PL. It could stop Leicester/Ipswich/Southampton from getting into the PL. It is hundreds of millions of pounds as well as sporting integrity that is being decided by really, really terrible officiating but terrible officiating that could be easily corrected.
 
parmoboy said:
I guess it boils down to whether fans are willing to accept the idea that these sort of decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of the season.

Some may feel that VAR will ruin their matchday experience, but is it really going to ruin the matchday experience to the same extent that having inept officials does. The standard is appalling at this level. How the linesman didn't spot that their player was offside for the third goal is beyond me.
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There is no such thing as even themselves out
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
This thread is full of examples of where VAR hasn’t worked and has created mote controversy and issues than its solved. And yet people demand more of it. We’ll have it in the Championship soon enough and it’ll be absolutely horrible. Those advocating for it in our league moan about the three officials we currently have making mistakes seem to think an extra two doing the same game remotely will make it better. It just won’t. You will still get mistakes and, if you’re so inclined, will still seethe over perceived injustices. It never ends. It’s an absolute mess in the Premier League. Imagine how bad it’d be in the division below. God help us.
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I think that is fair comment that the remote referees need to be better at coming to decisions more quickly and possibly more accurately but the VAR removes the excuses that they didn’t see it, or thought the player dived or the linesman was too unfit to keep up with a finely tuned athlete.

Introducing the technology has been the first step to improvement.

Eventually the controversy will die down as the football refs, by necessity, catch up with cricket, rugby and other sports and start getting it consistently right by properly combining the in person ref on the pitch benefits with the intelligent use of the remote technology.

I do sympathise with some of the refs though because football seems to be run and followed by a lot of people who won’t accept any decision which goes against them regardless of technology checks and evidence.

That is a difficult and lawless world to live in.
 
B_G said:
VAR needs to.f*cl off. Totally ruined an Fa cup special moment. 3-0 down at half time to win4-3 to be over ruled by an overgrown toe nail. How was that a clear an obvious error? That was the reason it was brought in.
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The "clear and obvious error" criterion only applies to subjective decisions, such as deciding whether a challenge was a foul or not. It is not a factor in factual decisions such as offside.
 
Liamo said:
The "clear and obvious error" criterion only applies to subjective decisions, such as deciding whether a challenge was a foul or not. It is not a factor in factual decisions such as offside.
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If you need 5 cameras specifically positioned and calibrated for the camber of the pitch with AI drawing lines across the pitch, what chance do the players have?
As far as any players on the pitch, any official or any fans can tell, that Coventry goal was level.

F*ck the hawk eye technology off and overturn clear and obvious errors. I.e. ones you can see with the naked eye
 
B_G said:
far as any players on the pitch, any official or any fans can tell, that Coventry goal was level.
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It wasn’t, he was off, I called the cov one off straight away. I also called the Leeds one, coulda done with var there
 
BoroMart said:
It wasn’t, he was off, I called the cov one off straight away. I also called the Leeds one, coulda done with var there
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I think you have stumbled on a solution.
We have someone from each club who is an ‘offside expert’ with the naked eye.
Looks like you can start.

As soon as the ball hits the back of the net - you press Y/N and it’s done.
Now, they will all be reviewed after games and if success rate drops to less than 75% someone else has a go.
 
B_G said:
If you need 5 cameras specifically positioned and calibrated for the camber of the pitch with AI drawing lines across the pitch, what chance do the players have?
As far as any players on the pitch, any official or any fans can tell, that Coventry goal was level.

F*ck the hawk eye technology off and overturn clear and obvious errors. I.e. ones you can see with the naked eye
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The hawk-eye technology exists in the process because simply using fixed camera angles can be deceptive, turning something "clear and obvious" into something not so clear or obvious.

Adding a big grey area into the process is hardly going to improve anything.
 
B_G said:
If you need 5 cameras specifically positioned and calibrated for the camber of the pitch with AI drawing lines across the pitch, what chance do the players have?
As far as any players on the pitch, any official or any fans can tell, that Coventry goal was level.

F*ck the hawk eye technology off and overturn clear and obvious errors. I.e. ones you can see with the naked eye
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I don’t think there is a half way house on this personally.

I don’t know about the accuracy but if the technology is in place then you use it as it is and all parties accept the outcome or you just go back to relying on humans.

But if you did that surely things would have to improve massively in terms of refereeing standards? I mean, as pointed out above, they struggle even after half a dozen slow motion replays?

Why do you think that is?
 
B_G said:
Maybe you should consider a job as a sniper?
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I think Boromart has a point, the Cov goal did look offside when watching on the telly and the Leeds one was one of the most obvious you will ever see, pure incompetence or maybe something else by the linesman.
 
Difficult as it may be for some to accept, I’m much much happier accepting the crap officiating we had last night versus the soul sucking mood hoover that is VAR.

Every goal scrutinised for minutes whilst we all wait to see whether we can celebrate properly, the moment gone. Absolute nonsense.

People can argue that accurate decisions are the trump card but even that isn’t worth the price of VAR to me. The fact is though that we still aren’t getting accurate decisions as any sort of pay off anyway.

The goal line technology works magnificently. The perfect example of how technology can improve the game. Quick as a flash everyone knows if it’s a goal or not.

Spending 5 minutes drawing lines and seeing whether someone’s toe is in an offside position is a nonsense and for me against the spirit of the laws which are to stop goal scrounging basically. In the really tight ones - some you get, some you don’t. Sometimes a complete ******* is dropped like last night. I’m comfortable with that.
 
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