Finland school shooting - child aged 12 shoots three other children

Nero said:
What does justice for the families suggest then?
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You'd have to ask them, it's impossible for me to say what they would consider justice.

I just wonder about your agenda trying to put words into my mouth.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
That will never happen. He will be closely monitored for years and will no doubt have a plan drawn up for his mental health requirements. You could punish him with a custodial sentence but that is no guarantee that he will be a better person when he comes out. It may turn him into an institutionalised habitual and violent offender. It's impossible to taylor punishment to the requirements of individual victims as some would be prepared to forgive whilst others would demand the death penalty.

The emphasis should be on ensuring, as far as is possible, that the kid grows up into an adult who can contribute, and not be a threat to society.
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That's a bit different to your earlier example of a killer being back in school just weeks later....
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
That will never happen. He will be closely monitored for years and will no doubt have a plan drawn up for his mental health requirements. You could punish him with a custodial sentence but that is no guarantee that he will be a better person when he comes out. It may turn him into an institutionalised habitual and violent offender. It's impossible to taylor punishment to the requirements of individual victims as some would be prepared to forgive whilst others would demand the death penalty.

The emphasis should be on ensuring, as far as is possible, that the kid grows up into an adult who can contribute, and not be a threat to society.
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Much better explained that I could manage.

It is not unheard of in Finland, Norway or Sweden for people to be prepared for society following a crime. Lock people up for 23 hours a day in brutal conditions will unsurprisingly not prepare them for anything.
 
sherlock1969 said:
You'd have to ask them, it's impossible for me to say what they would consider justice.

I just wonder about your agenda trying to put words into my mouth.
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No agenda. Just pointing out you cannot compare Finland, or a Finnish family with England. Perhaps the family involved is not even thinking about justice. More trying to understand why a 12 year old kid could act that way. Also (as someone has mentioned) how they got hold of weapons in the first place. Guns and ammunition should be controlled, and I’m pretty sure it’s usually quite strict in Finland.
 
Nero said:
No agenda. Just pointing out you cannot compare Finland, or a Finnish family with England. Perhaps the family involved is not even thinking about justice. More trying to understand why a 12 year old kid could act that way. Also (as someone has mentioned) how they got hold of weapons in the first place. Guns and ammunition should be controlled, and I’m pretty sure it’s usually quite strict in Finland.
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But you're just assuming that, you can't know. Knowing a few Finnish people does not mean you know how their society as a whole thinks.

If it's all working well, and they all feel like that, they wouldn't be considering changing it. Would they?
 
sherlock1969 said:
But you're just assuming that, you can't know. Knowing a few Finnish people does not mean you know how their society as a whole thinks.

If it's all working well, and they all feel like that, they wouldn't be considering changing it. Would they?
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That is a fair comment.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Around the time of the Jamie Bulger murder there was a similar case in Norway. Within weeks the boys responsible were back in education. That sounds civilised, we need education and rehabilitation above all else for young offenders.
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Society may have moved on but there isn't full forgiveness from the family:

The Norway town that forgave and forgot its child killers | James Bulger murder | The Guardian

<p>In 1994, in Trondheim, five-year-old Silje Redergard was beaten to death by two little boys. Today, the girl's family still suffers and one of the boys is in trouble again – the echoes of the Bulger case are clear. So why has the public reaction in Norway been so startlingly different?</p>
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

Although there are now thoughts it was teenagers and the Police focused in on the 5 & 6 year old ignoring evidence of additional people involved:
 
Nero said:
Having worked with Finnish people I have a better idea than you do. It’s not beyond reason that the families affected and not responding with a mob mentality.
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Spoke to a Finnish woman I know about it this morning and she was horrified that anyone could think that sending a 12-year-old to jail would be the right thing to do.
 
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