Hackney

outoftown said:
This seasons performances ...Pretty much anyone ..
Last season.. virtually no one in our price bracket
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Boro have wriggle room, however every player has his price and if a club comes in and offers stupid (big money) Hackney will be sold, that is the nature of the beast.

Hackney for someone so young is such a technical player, I'm amazed how he keeps the ball in tight areas, his passing is sublime, he can drive with the ball and draw players towards him before releasing it.
The only thing he is missing (some have pointed out) is some upper body strength to hold on to the ball when shoulder to shoulder, and he can get beat a bit to easy.

But he is a great player.

Stats don't tell you the full picture with players like him..when you are playing out from the back, he is the player who has the ability to release players around him when the press is high..that's probably the main reason Carrick has mixed up how Boro play.
 
Mysonpat. said:
Boro have wriggle room, however every player has his price and if a club comes in and offers stupid (big money) Hackney will be sold, that is the nature of the beast.

Hackney for someone so young is such a technical player, I'm amazed how he keeps the ball in tight areas, his passing is sublime, he can drive with the ball and draw players towards him before releasing it.
The only thing he is missing (some have pointed out) is some upper body strength to hold on to the ball when shoulder to shoulder, and he can get beat a bit to easy.

But he is a great player.

Stats don't tell you the full picture with players like him..when you are playing out from the back, he is the player who has the ability to release players around him when the press is high..that's probably the main reason Carrick has mixed up how Boro play.
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Great at "breaking the lines" which is so important when playing out from the back
 
Expat Smoggie said:
As for Lewis although I'm not totally sold on him, he definitely brings more to the squad than Barlaser as he can fill in most places around the defensive areas and he actually has enough speed to give us options on the left wing-- plus he's 3 years younger. The Barlaser situation maybe depends on how he shows up in pre-season training, and if he can compete with any new blood coming in-- if any. The J Howson situation is kind of like Luka Modric at RM, do you really think you can let someone go who offers so much? OK Howson is 36 in May, but will that make a big difference to how he plays? I personally doubt it, so I still think he out ranks Barlaser for the CM role and if Hackney stays Barlaser could be offloaded for better talent.
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Better than Barlaser yes, two or three times more expensive yes, value for money, probably not.
 
Mysonpat. said:
Boro have wriggle room, however every player has his price and if a club comes in and offers stupid (big money) Hackney will be sold, that is the nature of the beast.

Hackney for someone so young is such a technical player, I'm amazed how he keeps the ball in tight areas, his passing is sublime, he can drive with the ball and draw players towards him before releasing it.
The only thing he is missing (some have pointed out) is some upper body strength to hold on to the ball when shoulder to shoulder, and he can get beat a bit to easy.

But he is a great player.

Stats don't tell you the full picture with players like him..when you are playing out from the back, he is the player who has the ability to release players around him when the press is high..that's probably the main reason Carrick has mixed up how Boro play.
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Yes he is easily our best player receiving in midfield under pressure, turning and getting us on the attack. It's a huge part of our tactic and Barlaser is so spectacularly bad at it, that when he came in for an injured Hackney, it killed us
 
B_G said:
Has anyone said we need to sell?
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Yeah, quite a few on here and other places are assuming we need to make a big sale in the summer.

I'm not trawling through threads to find the comments though. If you don't believe me that's just a cross I'll have to bear.
 
B_G said:
Has anyone said we need to sell?
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I think that pretty much any Championship club is a selling club. Gibson was writing off huge debts not long ago, and sales of players like Rodgers and Akpom help keep the club on more stable financial footing, but even that would not be enough if we had a chairman not putting money into the club.

The club will probably say that our best players are not for sale, but when you get an offer of £10m / £15m or more then I think EVERY player is for sale. And only some of that money will be invested back into buying players.
 
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festa5 said:
Yeah, quite a few on here and other places are assuming we need to make a big sale in the summer.

I'm not trawling through threads to find the comments though. If you don't believe me that's just a cross I'll have to bear.
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Well I did glance back through the thread and I can't see any posts from any users saying we need to sell. A lot of people think we will sell if a big offer comes in but that seems to be the policy of the club these days. I don't need the extra money to work overtime but if I'm offered double time on a Saturday then I will accept it. If I needed the money, I would need to work it for single time. See the difference? Not needing to sell just improves our bargaining position.

We didn't need to sell Rogers but we did because a big offer came in that met/exceeded our valuation and the player wanted to his opportunity. I fully expect us to continue with this philosophy. That doesn't mean I think we need to sell, but if a big offer comes in for Hackney that meets/exceeds our valuation of him, and he wants to explore it, I think we would accept the offer.

I, and seemingly a few other on this thread, have reliable info that things are happening in the background with Hackney and he is unlikely to be here next season.
 
Steer said:
I think that pretty much any Championship club is a selling club. Gibson was writing off huge debts not long ago, and sales of players like Rodgers and Akpom help keep the club on more stable financial footing, but even that would not be enough if we had a chairman not putting money into the club.

The club will probably say that our best players are not for sale, but when you get an offer of £10m / £15m or more then I think EVERY player is for sale. And only some of that money will be invested back into buying players.
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Exactly.
 
festa5 said:
Yeah, quite a few on here and other places are assuming we need to make a big sale in the summer.

I'm not trawling through threads to find the comments though. If you don't believe me that's just a cross I'll have to bear.
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It's the negative ninnies, fact is we've already sold Rogers and Crooks, I wouldn't be surprised if we start to get Rogers bonuses very quickly. First one being champs league qualification.
 
Hopefully Gibbo et al will take a look at Coventry and realise if they''d have kept Gyokeres, they would be certs for the play offs again. The margins of getting a shot at the EPL or making 10m-15m off your best players in the short term and setting you back AGAIN can be very narrow.

If we sell the likes of Hackney, Carrick may as well walk and go find a club with ambition.
 
GazBoro said:
Hopefully Gibbo et al will take a look at Coventry and realise if they''d have kept Gyokeres, they would be certs for the play offs again. The margins of getting a shot at the EPL or making 10m-15m in the short term for one of your best players can be very narrow.

If we sell the likes of Hackney, Carrick may as well walk and go find a club with ambition.
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If Coventry had kept Gyokeres they wouldn't have been able to afford their squad rebuild, so I'm not sure they would be guaranteed anything. He funded Hadji, Simms, Sakamoto, Van Ewijk, Mason-Clarke and the rest. The team is more balanced, and less reliant on one man staying fit and not losing his individual battle.


As for selling Hackney, I agree, we shouldn't because we've already done that squad rebuild, and sold Rogers to fund this summers three new players. We don't need a full squad rebuild, in fact it would be massively disruptive. Selling Hackney to sign 6 new first teamers, means we would probably have to sell 3 more first teamers too, otherwise we'd have too many players.
 
BoroMart said:
Hackney to sign 6 new first teamers, means we would probably have to sell 3 more first teamers too, otherwise we'd have too many players.
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Recent history tells us that only a small proportion of money (if any) from any sale will be spent on replacement players.
 
BoroMart said:
If Coventry had kept Gyokeres they wouldn't have been able to afford their squad rebuild, so I'm not sure they would be guaranteed anything. He funded Hadji, Simms, Sakamoto, Van Ewijk, Mason-Clarke and the rest. The team is more balanced, and less reliant on one man staying fit and not losing his individual battle.


As for selling Hackney, I agree, we shouldn't because we've already done that squad rebuild, and sold Rogers to fund this summers three new players. We don't need a full squad rebuild, in fact it would be massively disruptive. Selling Hackney to sign 6 new first teamers, means we would probably have to sell 3 more first teamers too, otherwise we'd have too many players.
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Fair point re: Coventry (y) .

And yes, regarding Hackney, we shouldn't need to sell him or anyone else... maybe apart from McGree if he won't extend his contract.

For the first time in a long time I'm really optimistic about the direction we're going and think we'll be up there next season if we keep this squad intact and use the Rogers money wisely this summer.
 
Steer said:
Recent history tells us that only a small proportion of money (if any) from any sale will be spent on replacement players.
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We got 12m from selling chuba and 2m from selling Payero and spent....checks notes, about 12m in the summer. Well get most of that money to spend.
 
B_G said:
Well I did glance back through the thread and I can't see any posts from any users saying we need to sell. A lot of people think we will sell if a big offer comes in but that seems to be the policy of the club these days.
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might not be on this thread, but it's been posted on many threads, that we need to sell one big name a season. I don't agree with that by the way.
 
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