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[Ash88]

So you think because the CEO of say Tesco or Shell get a huge bonus, taxing that bonus more means the price of veg or energy goes up to cover it?

We are not in a cost of living crisis, we are in a cost of greed crisis and that's what needs to stop.

I do think that. The CEO of Shell gave himself a 25%+ pay rise in 2021, probably a nice fat bonus to go with it...
He'll probably get another pay rise in 2022 which we'll partly be paying for with the energy price rises.
These people will find a way of making more money by any means necessary... even if it means crippling the working class.

Again, I 100% agree with you, it needs to stop... but the majority of the country just sitting back and complaining about "taxing the rich" isn't going to make it stop.

 

[Chris_Boro]

I do think that. The CEO of Shell gave himself a 25%+ pay rise in 2021, probably a nice fat bonus to go with it...
He'll probably get another pay rise in 2022 which we'll partly be paying for with the energy price rises.
These people will find a way of making more money by any means necessary... even if it means crippling the working class.

Again, I 100% agree with you, it needs to stop... but the majority of the country just sitting back and complaining about "taxing the rich" isn't going to make it stop.

You're not grasping scale, Shell makes billions, the CEO a tiny tiny fraction of that. Taxing that bonus more is not going to put 5p on a litre of fuel.

Neither is a windfall tax or making sure massive multinational companies pay their fair share of tax on profits made in this country, if they do then others can undercut them.

Running scared of the fat cats just because they might not like losing slightly more pie is ridiculous.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I just saw an article yesterday that was talking about track and trace, Covid loans claimed fraudulently and written off by Sunak, PPE bought and sold by cronies, the Royal Yacht, bankers' bonuses being in the billions, the profits made by energy companies increasing to just disgraceful levels of billions, the rail companies creaming it off... and then as I mentioned earlier on in the thread, the subsidies to private companies and tax avoidance and MPs' expenses and second homes and mortgages, and the cost of keeping the Royal Family and paying for their homes and lavish lifestyles, and the corruption we already know about because IT HAPPENS IN PLAIN SIGHT, and you realise that the money IS there.

Nobody has to go hungry, or choose between eating and heating, or pay for a Covid test, or go without shoes or an education or a doctor's appointment or the internet. We CAN afford those things and we can afford them for everyone.

We want to see a breakdown of the costs of track and trace and PPE and those MPs found to be breaking the rules should be punished and removed from Parliament. The Queen wants to cover up for her son? Fine, pay with your own money. Not ours. Energy companies need money for infrastructure? That's fine, but don't be paying dividends to shareholders. The NHS needs money? Tackle tax avoidance. The scale of corporate tax avoidance is absolutely mental. That's the real scandal of the time, and there's a reason you NEVER read about it in the papers. It's theft. And that's where a lot of the issues come from IMO. The scale of it is so great you'd only have to tip the balance of the tax system a little bit to make an absolutely massive difference to people's lives.

The money IS there, and most of it is sitting offshore. Billionaires are getting richer and richer, the wealth just continues to disappear upwards. The only reason we're having a debate about whether people can afford to put the heating on or not is because we're being mugged in broad daylight.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

and cars you can no longer drive. Meanwhile the rich get richer.

What kind of country is this?

It's not just the UK, the world is heading towards globalisation at an ever increasing rate.

The fact that the majority of the current Tory cabinet are millionaires, including a chancellor who's just about to jet off to his £5m californian holiday home, obviously doesn't help either.

 

[Bristolboro]

I just saw an article yesterday that was talking about track and trace, Covid loans claimed fraudulently and written off by Sunak, PPE bought and sold by cronies, the Royal Yacht, bankers' bonuses being in the billions, the profits made by energy companies increasing to just disgraceful levels of billions, the rail companies creaming it off... and then as I mentioned earlier on in the thread, the subsidies to private companies and tax avoidance and MPs' expenses and second homes and mortgages, and the cost of keeping the Royal Family and paying for their homes and lavish lifestyles, and the corruption we already know about because IT HAPPENS IN PLAIN SIGHT, and you realise that the money IS there.

Nobody has to go hungry, or choose between eating and heating, or pay for a Covid test, or go without shoes or an education or a doctor's appointment or the internet. We CAN afford those things and we can afford them for everyone.

We want to see a breakdown of the costs of track and trace and PPE and those MPs found to be breaking the rules should be punished and removed from Parliament. The Queen wants to cover up for her son? Fine, pay with your own money. Not ours. Energy companies need money for infrastructure? That's fine, but don't be paying dividends to shareholders. The NHS needs money? Tackle tax avoidance. The scale of corporate tax avoidance is absolutely mental. That's the real scandal of the time, and there's a reason you NEVER read about it in the papers. It's theft. And that's where a lot of the issues come from IMO. The scale of it is so great you'd only have to tip the balance of the tax system a little bit to make an absolutely massive difference to people's lives.

The money IS there, and most of it is sitting offshore. Billionaires are getting richer and richer, the wealth just continues to disappear upwards. The only reason we're having a debate about whether people can afford to put the heating on or not is because we're being mugged in broad daylight.

You nailed it. The fraud and corruption is known and normalized, even to the extent that people vote for it, so we get what we deserve.

 

[Bristolboro]

It's not just the UK, the world is heading towards globalisation at an ever increasing rate.

The fact that the majority of the current Tory cabinet are millionaires, including a chancellor who's just about to jet off to his £5m californian holiday home, obviously doesn't help either.

This stinks, and the public put up with it, almost as if it's ok for the politicians to serve themselves.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

This stinks, and the public put up with it, almost as if it's ok for the politicians to serve themselves.

Too many voters are either ignorant to anything beyond the Daily Mail headlines, or driven by their own interests sadly.

The whole political system needs rebuilding, because it isn't fit for purpose, capitalism is out of control, there is an increasingly big gap between the have's and the have-not's and corruption is deep-rooted at the highest levels of governments.

I find it very sad, that there is such a lack of genuine political leaders that are driven by conscience and the desire to improve our society.

 

[Bristolboro]

Given that socialism is not on the agenda because people would rather suffer the corruption and inequality of capitalism steered by Tory 'liberalism', so what hope is there that anything will change? Voting doesn't work, and the Tory press make sure that anything too socialist/fair isn't going to happen. I can only see things getting worse... people starving and freezing, rich getting richer.. can't see how it can change. Too embedded.

 

[Glover_elbow]

Look at the way the Scandinavian countries didn't sell off their oil and gas assets in the late 60s and 70s but kept significant share of the ownership. History is repeating itself with the renewable sector in the uk, all the major wind assets are owned by private companies almost all of which are foreign owned. The state needs to have a significant shareholding in all future energy infrastructure projects.

 

[Bristolboro]

Too many voters are either ignorant to anything beyond the Daily Mail headlines, or driven by their own interests sadly.

The whole political system needs rebuilding, because it isn't fit for purpose, capitalism is out of control, there is an increasingly big gap between the have's and the have-not's and corruption is deep-rooted at the highest levels of governments.

I find it very sad, that there is such a lack of genuine political leaders that are driven by conscience and the desire to improve our society.

Absolutely. But feels hopeless. How do you rebuild a political system controlled by self-serving politicians, apart from full scale revolution and violence?

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

Absolutely. But feels hopeless. How do you rebuild a political system controlled by self-serving politicians, apart from full scale revolution and violence?

People using their vote better would be a start, but I'm not sure that enough people care enough about the greater good, rather their their self interest?

As tragic as it is to say, Thatchers ideology, that people only cared about themselves and their close family, was probably accurate, to a significant enough degree anyway.

 

[WoodallServices]

Working class Tories would fall for this!

 

[Same_as_before]

I just saw an article yesterday that was talking about track and trace, Covid loans claimed fraudulently and written off by Sunak, PPE bought and sold by cronies, the Royal Yacht, bankers' bonuses being in the billions, the profits made by energy companies increasing to just disgraceful levels of billions, the rail companies creaming it off... and then as I mentioned earlier on in the thread, the subsidies to private companies and tax avoidance and MPs' expenses and second homes and mortgages, and the cost of keeping the Royal Family and paying for their homes and lavish lifestyles, and the corruption we already know about because IT HAPPENS IN PLAIN SIGHT, and you realise that the money IS there.

Nobody has to go hungry, or choose between eating and heating, or pay for a Covid test, or go without shoes or an education or a doctor's appointment or the internet. We CAN afford those things and we can afford them for everyone.

We want to see a breakdown of the costs of track and trace and PPE and those MPs found to be breaking the rules should be punished and removed from Parliament. The Queen wants to cover up for her son? Fine, pay with your own money. Not ours. Energy companies need money for infrastructure? That's fine, but don't be paying dividends to shareholders. The NHS needs money? Tackle tax avoidance. The scale of corporate tax avoidance is absolutely mental. That's the real scandal of the time, and there's a reason you NEVER read about it in the papers. It's theft. And that's where a lot of the issues come from IMO. The scale of it is so great you'd only have to tip the balance of the tax system a little bit to make an absolutely massive difference to people's lives.

The money IS there, and most of it is sitting offshore. Billionaires are getting richer and richer, the wealth just continues to disappear upwards. The only reason we're having a debate about whether people can afford to put the heating on or not is because we're being mugged in broad daylight.

We will never be told, all he will keep saying, ' it's hindsight' the new get out clause.

I don't care about billionaires, I wish I was one, but tax them, tax them hard. If they spend more that 30 days in the country and own a home treat them as living here.

Any house not owned by an individual put a purchase tax on of 25%.

Stop messing about.