If we had all players available would you start Clarke?

Aztec chimera said:
Not Sure where you are getting your statistics from. In the Southampton game Clarke had the second highest successful pass completion percentage in the team with 95.7% complete from 47 passes. Only beaten by LL with 100% from 15 passes. Against Sheff Wed he had the 3rd highest pass completion percentage from 73 passes with 91.8%. Only beaten by Howson and O'Brien.
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Passing statistics are aload of rubbish anyway. Fry’s look good as he constantly passes 5 yards sideways, Clarke is more progressive, he passes forwards from deep, he also takes responsibility in the closing stages and launches when he needs to if we are defending a lead.
 
Priv said:
Passing statistics are aload of rubbish anyway. Fry’s look good as he constantly passes 5 yards sideways, Clarke is more progressive, he passes forwards from deep, he also takes responsibility in the closing stages and launches when he needs to if we are defending a lead.
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I will be gutted if we make Fry starting centre back next season. He simply can’t be trusted to stay fit and put in consistent performances. Worst of the lot. Sadly I think Carrick will play him
 
Its interesting with McNair, because both of our best runs of this season have come during his only real runs in the side. The wins before Christmas, and the start of the run we are currently on. While he might not be the best centre back we have, I think we are far more effective with him in our defence
 
Mayor Goldie Wilson said:
Its interesting with McNair, because both of our best runs of this season have come during his only real runs in the side. The wins before Christmas, and the start of the run we are currently on. While he might not be the best centre back we have, I think we are far more effective with him in our defence
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I think hes improved over the past 12 months he would play well and then drop a major clanger most games. He seems to have eleminated these errrors and lapses in concentration this season
 
In any formation using 3CBs Clarke starts on the left side of the three, in a CB pair not so much.
 
I'm not surprised that there is a variety of views of who are first choice CBs are. We have a good choice of CBs with genuine competition. Each brings different qualities.
A lot of conversation over who is the most comfortable on the ball.

Statistics

Touches on the Ball Per 90 Mins:

Lenihan - 86.1
Clarke - 79.9
Fry - 76.8
McNair - 72.8
RVB - 70.7

Passing Completion Rate:

Fry - 89.4% (The highest in the squad)
Lenihan - 89.1%
RVB - 88.1%
McNair - 86.4%
Clarke 84.1%

Passing Progressive Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 Mins)

Lenihan - 529.9
Fry 377.2
McNair - 360.2
Clarke - 331.8
RVB - 311.9

Progressive Carries Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 mins)

Lenihan - 201.8
McNair - 125.7
Clarke - 104.4
Fry - 88.9
RVB - 63.0


As good as RVB is defensively, and he is also a great athlete, he is statistically the least effective with the ball at his feet out of our 5 CBs.
Lenihan is clearly the strongest with the ball at his feet. He gets on the ball the most, he passes forward more often and carries the ball forward almost twice as often as any of our other CBs.
Fry is probably the next best passer with McNair being a stronger ball carrier.
 
B_G said:
I'm not surprised that there is a variety of views of who are first choice CBs are. We have a good choice of CBs with genuine competition. Each brings different qualities.
A lot of conversation over who is the most comfortable on the ball.

Statistics

Touches on the Ball Per 90 Mins:

Lenihan - 86.1
Clarke - 79.9
Fry - 76.8
McNair - 72.8
RVB - 70.7

Passing Completion Rate:

Fry - 89.4% (The highest in the squad)
Lenihan - 89.1%
RVB - 88.1%
McNair - 86.4%
Clarke 84.1%

Passing Progressive Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 Mins)

Lenihan - 529.9
Fry 377.2
McNair - 360.2
Clarke - 331.8
RVB - 311.9

Progressive Carries Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 mins)

Lenihan - 201.8
McNair - 125.7
Clarke - 104.4
Fry - 88.9
RVB - 63.0


As good as RVB is defensively, and he is also a great athlete, he is statistically the least effective with the ball at his feet out of our 5 CBs.
Lenihan is clearly the strongest with the ball at his feet. He gets on the ball the most, he passes forward more often and carries the ball forward almost twice as often as any of our other CBs.
Fry is probably the next best passer with McNair being a stronger ball carrier.
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Interesting stats those BG.

You're spot on about Rav - he's not "incapable" with the ball at his feet by any stretch, but he's certainly not the greatest.

Will hopefully come with experience - maybe not here as i really can't see him staying long :cry:
 
If it's a back two i'd probably start Clarke and Fry. If it's a back three, i'd start Fry, Clarke and RVDB. RVDB has been absolutely superb in a three. I think he's got a bit to learn on hyow to play in a back two which is understandable given his age. Fry still one of the best centre halves at the club. I think he suffers from the fact he's been here a long time and he's local. He's also not the best technically which people use as a stick to beat him with.
 
Aztec chimera said:
Not Sure where you are getting your statistics from. In the Southampton game Clarke had the second highest successful pass completion percentage in the team with 95.7% complete from 47 passes. Only beaten by LL with 100% from 15 passes. Against Sheff Wed he had the 3rd highest pass completion percentage from 73 passes with 91.8%. Only beaten by Howson and O'Brien.
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Passing success:

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Possession loss:
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Dynamo Kev said:
rav least comfortable on the ball? you actually been watching the games or based that off the odd bad pass you see on highlights? because rav is by far the most comfortable on the ball out of the lot of them, even under pressure.
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Rav at RB struggled in possession and in his first games. But he has massively improved with a little experience and confidence, and playing at CB, where his passing isn't restricted by the touchline.

He's already got pretty high passing numbers, and they're getting better all the time.
 
B_G said:
I'm not surprised that there is a variety of views of who are first choice CBs are. We have a good choice of CBs with genuine competition. Each brings different qualities.
A lot of conversation over who is the most comfortable on the ball.

Statistics

Touches on the Ball Per 90 Mins:

Lenihan - 86.1
Clarke - 79.9
Fry - 76.8
McNair - 72.8
RVB - 70.7

Passing Completion Rate:

Fry - 89.4% (The highest in the squad)
Lenihan - 89.1%
RVB - 88.1%
McNair - 86.4%
Clarke 84.1%

Passing Progressive Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 Mins)

Lenihan - 529.9
Fry 377.2
McNair - 360.2
Clarke - 331.8
RVB - 311.9

Progressive Carries Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 mins)

Lenihan - 201.8
McNair - 125.7
Clarke - 104.4
Fry - 88.9
RVB - 63.0


As good as RVB is defensively, and he is also a great athlete, he is statistically the least effective with the ball at his feet out of our 5 CBs.
Lenihan is clearly the strongest with the ball at his feet. He gets on the ball the most, he passes forward more often and carries the ball forward almost twice as often as any of our other CBs.
Fry is probably the next best passer with McNair being a stronger ball carrier.
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But , Lenahan is hardly ever on the pitch , we can not rely on him to last the season , CH is a key position and we need 2 / 3 who last the season . Good stuf BG , can you get the stats up please for
Michal Helik
Nathan Wood
Ladislav Krejci
Jake Cooper
I am interested to compare . Thanks in advance .
 
Dynamo Kev said:
rav least comfortable on the ball? you actually been watching the games or based that off the odd bad pass you see on highlights? because rav is by far the most comfortable on the ball out of the lot of them, even under pressure.
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The stats are there to be seen. Early days his passing was regularly in the 70%s when playing at RB (a position he had never played before).

When played at CB, he is regularly in the 90%s with his passing, which is a brilliant figure. In fact at CB he is averaging 90.24% passing which is the best at the club. Anyone that thinks he isn't comfortable on the ball might be watching him play, but they're not observing him play. It's not a debate, it's a provable fact, he's comfortable on the ball and therefore a near perfect player to have as one of our first choice CBs due to his composure.

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B_G said:
I'm not surprised that there is a variety of views of who are first choice CBs are. We have a good choice of CBs with genuine competition. Each brings different qualities.
A lot of conversation over who is the most comfortable on the ball.

Statistics

Touches on the Ball Per 90 Mins:

Lenihan - 86.1
Clarke - 79.9
Fry - 76.8
McNair - 72.8
RVB - 70.7

Passing Completion Rate:

Fry - 89.4% (The highest in the squad)
Lenihan - 89.1%
RVB - 88.1%
McNair - 86.4%
Clarke 84.1%

Passing Progressive Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 Mins)

Lenihan - 529.9
Fry 377.2
McNair - 360.2
Clarke - 331.8
RVB - 311.9

Progressive Carries Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 mins)

Lenihan - 201.8
McNair - 125.7
Clarke - 104.4
Fry - 88.9
RVB - 63.0


As good as RVB is defensively, and he is also a great athlete, he is statistically the least effective with the ball at his feet out of our 5 CBs.
Lenihan is clearly the strongest with the ball at his feet. He gets on the ball the most, he passes forward more often and carries the ball forward almost twice as often as any of our other CBs.
Fry is probably the next best passer with McNair being a stronger ball carrier.
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Rav's stats are massively impacted by playing as a RB, where he has never played. It's an apples and oranges comparison, unless you just look at him playing CB. In which case those numbers all go up. I absolutely agree that Lenihan is more progressive. Interestingly he has played 59 games in midfield, as a CDM.....

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Does anyone have any actual defensive stats? Particularly when we've played with a back three and a back four. I'd be interested to see a break down of each player playing in each respective system.
 
BoroMart said:
Rav's stats are massively impacted by playing as a RB, where he has never played. It's an apples and oranges comparison, unless you just look at him playing CB. In which case those numbers all go up. I absolutely agree that Lenihan is more progressive. Interestingly he has played 59 games in midfield, as a CDM.....

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So Leninhan is the answer to our CDM position 😍

I've never really considered this, mainly because McNair always springs to mind when thinking about moving a CD into MF
 
Statistics

Touches on the Ball Per 90 Mins:

Helik 51.1
Wood - 74.6
Cooper - 57.3

Passing Completion Rate:

Helik - 73.3%
Wood - 90.8%
Cooper - 73.2%

Passing Progressive Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 Mins)

Helik - 246.6
Wood - 380
Cooper - 288.4

Progressive Carries Distance (Forward Yards Gained per 90 mins)

Helik - 130.2
Wood - 256.8
Cooper - 61.6

It's pretty obvious which teams like to play out from the back when you look at the CB stats. 😁
 
Mfc79 said:
So Leninhan is the answer to our CDM position 😍

I've never really considered this, mainly because McNair always springs to mind when thinking about moving a CD into MF
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maybe?! I hadn't considered it either until now.

It seems it was his primary position until 6 years ago.

He pressures the ball well, has a decent engine, plays with his head up, plays through the thirds. He certainly has a lot of the attributes. I'd like to see how he takes the ball under pressure in the CM position, can he shield and lay off well, if yes, then it's a goer for me.

Paddy can do that role at a push, but his turning circle is like an oil tanker, Lenihan is shorter and lighter so that lower centre of gravity will make him quicker at turning and quicker off the mark, which is important in that CDM role.
 
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