Which is even more elitist than the priority scheme. I don't remember seeing these away season tickets being advertised. It is grossly unfair that there is a system that serves an absolute minority and guarantees them tickets ahead of other people forever.
Interesting analysis of away ticket sales this season..
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Muttley
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A couple of rather major problems with your "system"So substantially fewer people lose out in that system than the current priority system.
1. There will be more supporters who do not have STs than do. Even locally not everyone who would class themselves as a "supporter" has an ST (I didn't for several years recently, breaking a continuous sequence from Ayresome days)
2. You are not rewarding your most loyal supporters (or more cynically, those who put the most money into the club coffers) by granting the same chance of getting an away ticket to those without an ST you revalue the ST (which represents a valuable revenue stream)
Is it not grossly unfair that I am being pulled up for being entitled by someone that doesn't go to Boro games?
JM14
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Those who put the most time and money in should always get the most back, you can’t just turn up when you fancy for the big games and expect to be in with a chance of a ticket which would mean someone who had been to more games would have to miss out
System works fine and it’s what fans who attend the majority of games have asked for.
Those who fancy turning up for Sunderland away once a year are the only ones missing out
No. I'm not saying I should go ahead of you. I think it is fair that season ticket holders get to go ahead of non-season ticket holders. I think it is unfair that other people that commit to a season ticket every year have a 0% chance of attending certain games and an extremely tiny portion of all season ticket holders have a system that only benefits them above all other Boro fans.
The time and money that is put in gets you access to the games you attend. It doesn't need to confer additional privileges to other games.
Fans who attend the majority of games are the minority. It is a system that benefits a minority. Of course that minority are satisfied. The majority aren't satisfied and I'd expect a genuine vote on the matter would find that the majority of season ticket holders would be against the system.
Sounds like a very Tory way of running things. For the few, screw the many.
And it's not loyalty to keep going to Boro matches anymore than it is loyalty to keep going to the golf course or to the local pub. It's a hobby that some people are fortunate enough to be able to do more regularly than others. Loyalty and sacrifices, give me a break.
JM14
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Of course the majority who don’t go unless we are doing well don’t want this, how entitled can you get to think you can just turn up and expect a chance of a ticket if you only turn up for the big games, at the expense of someone going to the majority
Everyone has the same chance, no away games have sold out without general sale in 2024, this was the perfect chance for anyone to build their points up. Obviously those complaining won’t have done that as they only want the big games or when the clubs doing well
The club is obviously going to keep the core supporters happy who turn up every week regardless, and so they should
The most money put in , that forthcoming year , is the new ST , not the existing.
It's also perfectly feasible that a fella taking his family to ten games a year , spent far more than someone on a discounted x 2 ST.
As it happens, I think the system is as fair as it's gonna get without being crackers to organize;
Maybe could of looked at giving a better deal to new full price ST in terms of points.
Of course people " could of gone " , but in reality a lot of people can't actually physically get there and back with work / matches moved.
They could of bought tickets for others to use though ?
Humpty
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The system I'm advocating is the previous system used prior to the current priority system. Whereby all season ticket holders get a shot at buying an away ticket. As a none season ticket holder the current system devalues a season ticket from my perspective. I know that even if i buy a season ticket, i'm not even going to have a chance of buying an away ticket for some of the more in demand games. I live out the area, so i'll pick and choose games as a season ticket doesn't represent value for money for my situation. If the previous system was in use, I'd probably have bought a season ticket long ago.
It's not actually correct. Priority points weren't needed for Plymouth.
Our last season in the Prem wasn't a free for 'all'. Season ticket holders got first dibs. (I'm not saying that's wrong). It might have been a free for all amongst ST holders. I was waiting for games to make general sale, and many didn't... (until it had become apparent quite how bad we were)!
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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Its been done to death but the priority points system is the fairest way, whilst it does have kinks in the system that wont suit everyone's[ersonal circumstance
Personally I have issues that my children won't ever be able to go to Sunderland/Leeds away, as school age children, who play high level football Saturday mornings, they will rarely be able to go to enough fixtures to build up the points required.
Personally I have issues that my children won't ever be able to go to Sunderland/Leeds away, as school age children, who play high level football Saturday mornings, they will rarely be able to go to enough fixtures to build up the points required.
indeedido
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I'm pretty confident that an open vote across SC holders would not support the current scheme and would want to revert to as scheme where they all had equal chance of getting a ticket to an away match.
Middlesbrough FC do not benefit from away ticket sales, unless in a Cup.
Those who benefit from the current scheme are those who choose to go away in that current season. It is a very short term loyalty system and is wide open to abuse.
In the old SC scheme, people would still get into most away games if they chose to go, as Nano rightly posts.
I genuinely don't see why going to Swansea this season means you should have more chance of going to Sunderland next season - or anywhere else for that matter.
Why the are the last two seasons away records most relevant?
Some of us have followed Boro all over the country going back 4 and 5 decades, have had SC's through all of that time and taken three generations along. That I don't go away so much now should have no bearing on my chances of going.
I think away season cards are fine - like the one Rob has. It is the same principle as the home SC, even if the club get no revenue from it.
Middlesbrough FC do not benefit from away ticket sales, unless in a Cup.
Those who benefit from the current scheme are those who choose to go away in that current season. It is a very short term loyalty system and is wide open to abuse.
In the old SC scheme, people would still get into most away games if they chose to go, as Nano rightly posts.
I genuinely don't see why going to Swansea this season means you should have more chance of going to Sunderland next season - or anywhere else for that matter.
Why the are the last two seasons away records most relevant?
Some of us have followed Boro all over the country going back 4 and 5 decades, have had SC's through all of that time and taken three generations along. That I don't go away so much now should have no bearing on my chances of going.
I think away season cards are fine - like the one Rob has. It is the same principle as the home SC, even if the club get no revenue from it.
NorthumberlandBoro
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If you asked 20 people to design a loyalty system you would come up 20 different systems(if not more!).
davidmills
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If Rob can have an away season ticket then all home season ticket holders should have the option to buy one.
If the club can’t offer that then it should not be available to Rob and the other chosen few.
If the club can’t offer that then it should not be available to Rob and the other chosen few.
Marvanelli
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Away season tickets were available to all, a few years ago.
Then since, MFC have pulled the away season tickets but allowed those who had an away season ticket to continue.
I personally don't have one, and never had one, but fair play to those that do.
It's a lot of money, time, mileage and effort they are investing and putting in, on a weekly basis.
Muttley
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Uk-huh so because the system doesn't work for ME it's "not fair"?
I can't have it and although I don't don't want one I want to take yours away. Nice.
davidmills
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Away season tickets have never been advertised for sale ever
Humpty
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Not at all. I used my own example as to how it's devalued a season ticket.
NorthumberlandBoro
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If you've maintained one for 9 years you probably deserve to keep it.