Is there anyone on here who doesn't have left wing views

Muttley said:
Corbyn culters...
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I still find it amazing that grown adults think the left have some weird fixation with Corbyn. The 2019 manifesto was exactly what the country needed. Had Jess Phillips or Margaret Hodge been leader with that manifesto I'd have happily voted for either of them. The simple fact is that the Labour-right don't want those sort of policies because it won't feather their own nests.

Every single opinion poll done in the run up to the last election showed that people were in favour of Labour's policies. It was only when Corbyn was mentioned that people went against them - which is just a sad indictment on UK political reporting and the power of the media.

The Labour party now have new leadership and a new direction. If they can convince enough people to vote for them they'll win the election. Pretty simple.
 
Rauko said:
Ha .. you don't see it do you? I've expressed an opinion about my experiences generally with the left of the left-wing .. and 2 or 3 people have rounded on me already .. you're sniffing the air and are readying to unleash the attack dogs .. "How DARE somebody express an opinion different to me!!"

So thanks .. I'll leave you to your little echo chamber for tonight ..
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You accused people of calling you a Nazi and a Bigot.

Without offering any proof, such as links to previous posts, why should anyone take you seriously?

No-one has rounded on you, people have just expressed their opinion that you're talking nonsense. It would be very easy to prove otherwise.
 
Rauko said:
Thank you for denying me of my experiences .. Go on .. now you can correct me because I'm going to disagree with you .. You've already said I'm talking "absolute nonsense" .. so you're just 1 step away from proving me 100% right because of course YOU have all the answers and nobody else can express any different opinion .. come on .. go at it.
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Rauko, I'm right of Jeremy Corbyn in some aspects, as are many of my other Labour voting friends. Neither I or them are nazi's or consider each other to be so. I don't even think Trump or our current rabble are.

I was also a fan of Jeremy Corbyn's policies and I think his record on human rights is excellent.

You are exagerrating and using inflammatory language and are surprised when someone calls it nonsense? Then tell me I'm denying you of your experiences?

I think it's just demonstrably untrue that anyone who supported Jeremy Corbyn/still supports his brand of politics thinks anyone to the right of them is a Nazi or whatever. You're conflating the vocal extremist part of the Labour party with the majority of it.

From a perspective of proof, the MAJORITY of KIER STARMER's votes for Labour leader came from people who had voted for JEREMY CORBYN. How does that fit with what you just said? Oh wait, it doesn't.

It's like me saying every Trump or Boris fan thinks everyone even a little bit left of them is a communist. It would be absolute tosh that's true of a small (but loud) minority of the electorate.

If you think this 'proves you right' then I'm not sure what planet you're on fella.
 
SuperStu said:
No then? This your "self defence mechanism" going off again?
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Ha ha Stuey you're just really sore because despite vehemently denying that you'd mentioned something previously a very quick search established that you did. I know the context, you know the context. It just doesn't fit your pathetic narrative.

Have a great day, whatever it is you're up to 👍
 
Scrote said:
The 2019 manifesto was exactly what the country needed. Had Jess Phillips or Margaret Hodge been leader with that manifesto I'd have happily voted for either of them. The simple fact is that the Labour-right don't want those sort of policies because it won't feather their own nests.

Every single opinion poll done in the run up to the last election showed that people were in favour of Labour's policies.
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If you survey people to ask if they want a better NHS, scrap uni tuition fees, free internet access, low utility prices, better public transport, more police, higher pensions, lower basic rate taxes - and loads of other free or low cost stuff - of course they'll say YES. You might as well add in free beer.

Unfortunately somebody has to pay for all that stuff and that's when it comes unglued.

General Elections are not the same as surveys.
 
Ziggy said:
Starmer is standing against Sunak…that’s the choice.
You don’t have to be a ‘person of the left’ to see the difference. Given their personal background

Keir Starmer came from a working class family but passed the 11 plus and went to a Grammer school on a Scholarship He went on and studied law at the University of Leeds, graduating with first class honours and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB) degree in 1985, becoming the first member of his family to graduate.

Representing Greenpeace, Miner's,Dockers Print workers , on Picket lines as a human rights observer. Donated his fees to the NUM,

Stopped Shell sinking the Brent oil platform and prevented an ecological disaster

Represented Helen Steel and David Morris against Mcdonalds in a 10 year legal case

Represented those facing the death penalty in commonwealth countries as part of The Death Penalty Project legal team.

Worked in Northern Ireland as a Human rights adviser to the police on 2002 after the peace process.

Prosecuted Westminster Peodphile ring, prosecuted 23 grooming gangs and changed how police deal with historical sexual abuses cases and victims of domestic violence.

Victims’ rights to challenge decisions over criminal investigations, strengthened and duty to report suspected child abuse. Keir Starmer.

Represented the Council tax protestors when Thatcher was in power.

Raised public Scrutiny of the USA forces visiting UK to live in less secret society

March against the Iraq War,wrote to Blair saying it was illegal.

Took Government to court over the decision to deny welfare benefits to asylum seekers

Represented Greenpeace agsinst the widening of the M3 and destruction of Downs Land

Prosecuted MPs for cheating on their expenses

Represented Poll tax protestors in the 80s with free legal advice

1992 Took Tories to court as they didn't provide a just translation for Miner's.

Took on Murdock for phone hacking

Changed prosecution guidelines for those of historical child sexual abuse. Enabled Saviles victims to have a voice in enquiry against Savile

Wrote Victims Law and changed how, police ,CPS and courts deal with victims of sex crimes and domestic abuse.
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Thats the sort of stuff labour need to get out there, iam no massive supporter of starmer but hes nothing like the current tories.
As for the opening post, the they are all the same drivel has been done many times and better.
Its a stale tory rouse
 
Soutra said:
If you survey people to ask if they want a better NHS, scrap uni tuition fees, free internet access, low utility prices, better public transport, more police, higher pensions, lower basic rate taxes - and loads of other free or low cost stuff - of course they'll say YES. You might as well add in free beer.

Unfortunately somebody has to pay for all that stuff and that's when it comes unglued.

General Elections are not the same as surveys.
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True it isn't free. But if you ask people if they want to increase 5p tax on the anyone earning over 150k to provide a better NHS, most people will say yes

If you ask people if they want to reduce utility prices by taking public ownership, most people will say yes

Value is more important than cost.
 
Soutra said:
If you survey people to ask if they want a better NHS, scrap uni tuition fees, free internet access, low utility prices, better public transport, more police, higher pensions, lower basic rate taxes - and loads of other free or low cost stuff - of course they'll say YES. You might as well add in free beer.

Unfortunately somebody has to pay for all that stuff and that's when it comes unglued.

General Elections are not the same as surveys.
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Its always there to shore up ailing banks and fill the pockets of Tory cronies with billions of pounds - like during covid.
Its there for the government to subsidise the private railway companies every day of the year - especially during the strikes - so the foreign enterprises still have profits to put in private shareholders pockets.
Its there when BP / British Gas, et al rip us off to the tune of Billions and the Government wont tax them to help out the poor.
Its there to hand over our NHS to private profit-making corporations and reduce care to "cost".
Dont kid yourself, money isnt there: after 13 years of "austerity" are we any better off?
Off course not - the rich took it and intend to keep it.
The money is there alright - just not in the right hands!
 
“ We will never allow you to rule!’ May to Corbyn at a PMQ’s
I distinctly remember this because that answer, together with the look on her face, was very menacing and filled with hatred. Not seen that before or since. So I thought I would look it up and check the YouTube of the exchange. It’s not there…but the most sinister thing is it doesn’t appear in Hansard according to an historian who went looking too, although a lot of other people seem to remember the exact words said.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
The trouble with reducing the number of MPs is it makes accessing an MP more difficult. Having them set to certain constituency sizes means that everyone should have the same ability to contact their MP and bend their ear. If you halved that amount of MP's, the knock on effect would be you would have to increase expenses to allow them to recruit more office staff to deal with constituent queries and complaints. Currently most of the expenses budget already goes on travel to london, accommodation there and staff costs
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The times I've had contact with my MP have been a complete waste of my time
They are not interested in debate and just tow the party line - Blairite Labour in Aberdeen and Gibson in Darlo.
 
Ziggy said:
“ We will never allow you to rule!’ May to Corbyn at a PMQ’s
I distinctly remember this because that answer, together with the look on her face, was very menacing and filled with hatred. Not seen that before or since. So I thought I would look it up and check the YouTube of the exchange. It’s not there…but the most sinister thing is it doesn’t appear in Hansard according to an historian who went looking too, although a lot of other people seem to remember the exact words said.
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I remember that too. As well as a senior army officer saying on TV he would organise a coup if Corbyn won.
 
Ziggy said:
“ We will never allow you to rule!’ May to Corbyn at a PMQ’s
I distinctly remember this because that answer, together with the look on her face, was very menacing and filled with hatred. Not seen that before or since. So I thought I would look it up and check the YouTube of the exchange. It’s not there…but the most sinister thing is it doesn’t appear in Hansard according to an historian who went looking too, although a lot of other people seem to remember the exact words said.
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This sounds like textbook Mandela effect


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The Mandela Effect: What It Is and How It Happens

The Mandela effect is a phenomenon where a number of people remember events, sayings, or images differently than they actually are.
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