Jack Charlton rescued us for free

There was a documentary last night about Jack Charlton - Match of the Day - BBC2

Jack said about not taking a penny in 1984 from Boro on that programme. The then Boro chairman Mike Mac (a friend) asked Jack to come back, but he went to Newcastle. MFC had not a penny in the bank then and still a couple of players on contracts from 1981 that were very expensive for a Division 2 club to service on projected crowds averaging 6k-8k.

He had been asked about going to Newcastle and he deflected the question totally to start talking about Boro in 1984. Going to Newcastle was probably the low light of his managerial career, especially and it was the fans there that hounded him out.

His Boro time 1973-1977 focused on how he used Alan Foggon to beat the very tight offside traps of the time. Also how he changed Graeme Souness from a left back to central midfield. It was quite good coverage as very little was said about his time at Sheff Wed which was 5.5 years.

Jack said he didn't know why the Irish liked him so much. I would say it was because he was down to earth, liked a fag and pint. liked country sports, was solid working class - quite a few Irish traits there.
 
Redwurzel said:
There was a documentary last night about Jack Charlton - Match of the Day - BBC2

Jack said about not taking a penny in 1984 from Boro on that programme. The then Boro chairman Mike Mac (a friend) asked Jack to come back, but he went to Newcastle. MFC had not a penny in the bank then and still a couple of players on contracts from 1981 that were very expensive for a Division 2 club to service on projected crowds averaging 6k-8k.

He had been asked about going to Newcastle and he deflected the question totally to start talking about Boro in 1984. Going to Newcastle was probably the low light of his managerial career, especially and it was the fans there that hounded him out.

His Boro time 1973-1977 focused on how he used Alan Foggon to beat the very tight offside traps of the time. Also how he changed Graeme Souness from a left back to central midfield. It was quite good coverage as very little was said about his time at Sheff Wed which was 5.5 years.

Jack said he didn't know why the Irish liked him so much. I would say it was because he was down to earth, liked a fag and pint. liked country sports, was solid working class - quite a few Irish traits there.
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Red will that programme be on catch up?
Missed that & would love to see that

I recall big Jack not getting paid, fans were hoping to see a turn around similar to 1973, he made it clear he's here to help the Boro, he also recommended Willie Maddren to take control when he left us
 
Redwurzel said:
There was a documentary last night about Jack Charlton - Match of the Day - BBC2

Jack said about not taking a penny in 1984 from Boro on that programme. The then Boro chairman Mike Mac (a friend) asked Jack to come back, but he went to Newcastle. MFC had not a penny in the bank then and still a couple of players on contracts from 1981 that were very expensive for a Division 2 club to service on projected crowds averaging 6k-8k.

He had been asked about going to Newcastle and he deflected the question totally to start talking about Boro in 1984. Going to Newcastle was probably the low light of his managerial career, especially and it was the fans there that hounded him out.

His Boro time 1973-1977 focused on how he used Alan Foggon to beat the very tight offside traps of the time. Also how he changed Graeme Souness from a left back to central midfield. It was quite good coverage as very little was said about his time at Sheff Wed which was 5.5 years.

Jack said he didn't know why the Irish liked him so much. I would say it was because he was down to earth, liked a fag and pint. liked country sports, was solid working class - quite a few Irish traits there.
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Cheers for that- Just downloaded it and Alfie's Boys- still my favourite doc about the '66 England team (y)(y)
 
Erimus74 said:
I loved big Jack, my favourite all time manager, the team he built was my favourite & best during my time following the mighty Boro
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Come on Erimus I doubt theres a single member on here that doesn't know that.

But on the doc, didn't know that Foggon was british champion at 220 yards. Just think how fast he would have been a few pounds lighter and didn't drink those pints before the game in the yellow rose /masham, before the game (very allegedly)
 
HundredRoom said:
Come on Erimus I doubt theres a single member on here that doesn't know that.

But on the doc, didn't know that Foggon was british champion at 220 yards. Just think how fast he would have been a few pounds lighter and didn't drink those pints before the game in the yellow rose /masham, before the game (very allegedly)
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Yellow rose, now there's a blast from the past, our pub before Boro games 👍
 
AF was probably a sprinting champion at 16 or 17 - once the alcoholic drink starts taking affect his speed would have decreased. I remember Foggon playing for Newcastle when they won Fairs Cup in 1969, but he ended up at Cardiff City - a bit of a backwater in the early 70s, by 1977/8 he was playing at Hartlepool? There is a moral story there for young pros. But 45 goals for the Boro in 115 games was nowt to be sniffed at.

The MOTD Programme will be on iPlayer.

I also saw Alfie's Boys - a very interesting documentary as it focused on weaknesses of the England set up as well as strengths. It also focused on some of the social issues that affected the players such as the role of wives, lack of money (Bobby Moore's wife earned more than him - he earned £8 a week in 1963 - around £400 in todays money) some of the players at top flight clubs could not afford cars and most never got to buy a detached house.

"Erimus74" - the username gives a clue to the timezone where his football :)s are anchored and the 10k Boro fans that went to Preston North End for a meaningless last game of the season. Most of them on a British Rail special with the Charlton family.
 
I mentioned Foggon was Powderhall jnr sprint champion lots of times, SA built the team BJC give us a way to play more direct.
 
Redwurzel said:
AF was probably a sprinting champion at 16 or 17 - once the alcoholic drink starts taking affect his speed would have decreased. I remember Foggon playing for Newcastle when they won Fairs Cup in 1969, but he ended up at Cardiff City - a bit of a backwater in the early 70s, by 1977/8 he was playing at Hartlepool? There is a moral story there for young pros. But 45 goals for the Boro in 115 games was nowt to be sniffed at.

The MOTD Programme will be on iPlayer.

I also saw Alfie's Boys - a very interesting documentary as it focused on weaknesses of the England set up as well as strengths. It also focused on some of the social issues that affected the players such as the role of wives, lack of money (Bobby Moore's wife earned more than him - he earned £8 a week in 1963 - around £400 in todays money) some of the players at top flight clubs could not afford cars and most never got to buy a detached house.

"Erimus74" - the username gives a clue to the timezone where his football :)s are anchored and the 10k Boro fans that went to Preston North End for a meaningless last game of the season. Most of them on a British Rail special with the Charlton family.
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Alan Foggon quit the professional game at 28, which was ridiculous. Two years earlier he was joining Manchester United having been our top scorer for several seasons.

I can see Ravel Morrison going the same way.
 
And warnock has......tho i think he will be rewarded. But yea big jack. A great man. Lifes not all about money. Obviously politically it is
 
I don't know how true it is that he worked for us for "free"

"He reportedly worked without a contract on a salary of £10,000 a year, despite the club being willing to pay much more for his services. "

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-mourn-the-loss-of-jack-charlton



Also.....

"Firstly, he would not sign a contract. That was something he would repeat throughout his career. Charlton also accepted an annual salary of £10,000 a much lower amount than he probably could have commanded. "

https://www.balls.ie/football/the-c...-middlesbrough-in-first-managerial-job-440167
 
His autobiography was a little disappointing in that the chapter that covered his tenure at Boro was so thin. That was maybe down to the publishers , however.
JC always took the blame for not spending more on strengtening the side in Div I. Almost protective of the club (or it's chairman).
 
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