Just a reminder people- it hasn't gone away

MAD_POG said:
Am I wrong or are 16000 in hospital who have tested positive , not 16000 forced into hospital with COVID.
If cases in the general population are up surely this is the same for hospitals where everyone is tested symptoms or not.
I watch the ICU\ventilator numbers which give a better indication.
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You are correct 16000 have tested positive, in past around half were suffering with Covid of the hospital numbers. The 16000 figure was 11000 a few weeks ago.

Covid as a disease now feels like the Flu of the 1990s which could kill 100 a day over 40,000 a year, but we never closed the country down.
 
Zoophonic said:
It’s not for me. You have to pay £55 a ticket and then £6 per tasting dish on top. Hoping the St Albans Beer Festival is on though a couple of weeks later. It’s superb.
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It's not cheap but if you go to any of those pubs you will pay 150 for a 6 to 8 course tasting menu and no music.

If you think of the 55 for the bands and atmosphere it starts to look cheap for the food. My wife, my 11 year old and I are going this year.
 
Redwurzel said:
You are correct 16000 have tested positive, in past around half were suffering with Covid of the hospital numbers. The 16000 figure was 11000 a few weeks ago.

Covid as a disease now feels like the Flu of the 1990s which could kill 100 a day over 40,000 a year, but we never closed the country down.
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You're conflating Pneumonia deaths with flu deaths again.

Just stop.
 
On the subject of the right way forward there should still be a mask mandate and free testing and support for staying of work should be there.

Proper sick pay so folks could stay of work would only bring us in line with the rest of Europe and should have nothing to do with a pandemic, it's the right thing to do,regardless.

We do have to continue living our lives but some basic measures should still exist. They are cheap, have little impact on our lives and would contain more than just covid.
 
Laughing said:
On the subject of the right way forward there should still be a mask mandate and free testing and support for staying of work should be there.

Proper sick pay so folks could stay of work would only bring us in line with the rest of Europe and should have nothing to do with a pandemic, it's the right thing to do,regardless.

We do have to continue living our lives but some basic measures should still exist. They are cheap, have little impact on our lives and would contain more than just covid.
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Spot on.
 
We are not trying to live with it currently, the plan is to ignore it.

While a lot of cases in hospital are "with covid" rather than because of it, a lot of cases are also because of it.
If it was purely with covid then the places wouldn't be full to capacity in late March.

The policy of doing nothing at all is simply not feasible unless we fund more NHS services and dig out more staff to help manage them. The cynic in me would be expecting that extra demand to be pumped into private capacity to support waiting lists and filter money out of the public purse in the longrun rather than fund the NHS to do the same services.

In reality while cases of covid rise, and a % of those that get it are admitted into hospital other services get cancelled or diverted. This last 2 weeks most routine surgeries have been halted where I work. Urgent surgeries have to be triaged and prioritised. This isn't because people are with covid, it's because there is no extra capacity BECAUSE of covid.

In the future when you're waiting 2 years for a knee replacement, routine heart surgery, appointment for physiotherapy etc.. be kind to the staff who have worked flat out to manage the **** show of covid as these routine services are all being put of hold to try and support the most vulnerable.
 
Laughing said:
On the subject of the right way forward there should still be a mask mandate and free testing and support for staying of work should be there.

Proper sick pay so folks could stay of work would only bring us in line with the rest of Europe and should have nothing to do with a pandemic, it's the right thing to do,regardless.

We do have to continue living our lives but some basic measures should still exist. They are cheap, have little impact on our lives and would contain more than just covid.
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This, living with Covid must include a reasonable way for everyone to do it safely.

The current Tory way is just to ignore it.
 
Chris_Boro said:
It's almost as if people think the NHS is coping swimmingly with the influx of Covid patients every few months.

Absolutely no thought to the knock on effects to waiting lists, NHS staff, doctors, nurses and those who require their care. The NHS is underfunded, understaffed and on its knees.

The "Just get on with it" and "it can't go on like this forever" crowd, don't give a **** about the above.
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Of course we do, we have just had a baby and know exactly how important the NHS is. I would like to see the numbers of how many people caught covid after hospital admission. What is the point of mass vaccine roll outs if we are still going to lockdown at every opportunity or hide away from it? I have had it twice, once with jabs and once without and guess what, it was exactly the same both times. My wife and another pregnant friend both had it unjabbed and guess what, both are absolutely fine. We cant keep hiding away from it. Limit who gets to use the NHS would be a perfect start. to your point...Next up get the Tories out who have pillaged it for past 10 years and get a government in who will fund it so it lasts! We are being taxed to the absolute hilt yet every sector is struggling and there are cuts where ever you look!
 
Chris_Boro said:
This, living with Covid must include a reasonable way for everyone to do it safely.

The current Tory way is just to ignore it.
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I agree the tories just want to ignore it. Unfortunately, as with all respitory disease, some are safer than others and if we are lucky we all become part of the vulnerable cohort, sooner or later.

The measures have to be in line with risk. Wearing masks in shops and sanitizing your hands is pretty low impact and should have been mandated and remained so.

The isolation when asymptomatic probably never helped too much as day to day you are unlikely to test. For large gatherings it just makes sense.

Ultimately the government want covid to be treated in the same way as flu. Unfortunately it still kills more than flu. That begs the question of how many deaths would be acceptable. If flu deaths were publicised there would be an outrage. Right or wrong? I don't know
 
Sergio said:
Of course we do, we have just had a baby and know exactly how important the NHS is. I would like to see the numbers of how many people caught covid after hospital admission. What is the point of mass vaccine roll outs if we are still going to lockdown at every opportunity or hide away from it? I have had it twice, once with jabs and once without and guess what, it was exactly the same both times. My wife and another pregnant friend both had it unjabbed and guess what, both are absolutely fine. We cant keep hiding away from it. Limit who gets to use the NHS would be a perfect start. to your point...Next up get the Tories out who have pillaged it for past 10 years and get a government in who will fund it so it lasts! We are being taxed to the absolute hilt yet every sector is struggling and there are cuts where ever you look!
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So basically you only understand it from your own narrow view point, you are your friends were fine, so that must mean everyone right?

2 years and still people don't get that Covid effects people differently. It's bizarre.

Noone mentioned lockdowns, basic measures and tools for people to do the right thing are what will get us through Covid, ignoring it will leave us in a never ending circle of infections, hospitals at breaking point and deaths.
 
Laughing said:
I agree the tories just want to ignore it. Unfortunately, as with all respitory disease, some are safer than others and if we are lucky we all become part of the vulnerable cohort, sooner or later.

The measures have to be in line with risk. Wearing masks in shops and sanitizing your hands is pretty low impact and should have been mandated and remained so.

The isolation when asymptomatic probably never helped too much as day to day you are unlikely to test. For large gatherings it just makes sense.

Ultimately the government want covid to be treated in the same way as flu. Unfortunately it still kills more than flu. That begs the question of how many deaths would be acceptable. If flu deaths were publicised there would be an outrage. Right or wrong? I don't know
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Just on your last point, there is a reason Influenza deaths aren't publicised like Covid.

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I think to be clear- loads of people are catching it when they go into hospital. Because it is everywhere. Unfortunately those most vulnerable are also in hospital and therefore massively more at risk.

I have to be clear, I don't think we should shut the world down. I DO think we should try and mitigate spread as best as we can.

Closing the economy is no good for anyone, but leaving any disease to run freely through the population and clog up healthcare is reckless. Most people wont die, most may have a runny nose. Some will be admitted to hospital. Some will spread it in hospital. If there are enough, the hospital/ care homes and social care stop functioning.
 
Everybody in my house has it or just getting over it(including my 6 month old son), my Mrs 90 year old nan has just got over it, my 17 year old step daughter just recovered from it for the 2nd time in 6 months. It's is absolutely everywhere down here at the minute, from a personal experience perspective it is the worst it has been in the sense of I know more people with it now than at any other point throughout the pandemic. But cases will rapidly drop, but more and more people will catch it less and less people will test. Its strange some of my family had absolutely no symptoms, some had minor symptoms and some had the high temperature and cough. Me I have been extremely tired and aching and getting out of breath just walking up the stairs, but seem on the mend now.
 
Evil said:
I see the indoctrination is still strong here.

Such a shame.

Just glad that most of my friends and family have stopped getting jabbed and woken up to this nonsense.
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Anti vaxxers are the reason we can't have nice things. I'm all for living your life without restriction but it's so important we continue to vaccinate.
 
Evil said:
I see the indoctrination is still strong here.

Such a shame.

Just glad that most of my friends and family have stopped getting jabbed and woken up to this nonsense.
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What do you think the end goal is from the indoctrination?
 
Don't I f,ing know it tested positive yesterday & its kicking the sh*t out of me proper struggling to breath at times its f,ing awful
 
Juan-sheet said:
Don't I f,ing know it tested positive yesterday & its kicking the sh*t out of me proper struggling to breath at times its f,ing awful
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Hope you start to feel better soon. My wife and all my kids have had it. I have never tested positive even when my wife and 11 year old were testing positive. Probably the tadpoles, dirt, worms and frogspawn I ate as a child.
 
Laughing said:
Hope you start to feel better soon. My wife and all my kids have had it. I have never tested positive even when my wife and 11 year old were testing positive. Probably the tadpoles, dirt, worms and frogspawn I ate as a child.
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Thanks Laughing I'm the same both the kids have had it thankfully nowhere near as bad as this that was a couple of months ago mad thing was both myself & the wife were negative at the time.

I just hope I don't pass this on because I wouldn't wish this on anyone 🤒🤒😷🤧

When I get some energy I might pop into the garden & dig up a few worms :sick:;)
 
Why do the covidiots only ever talk in two extremes: do nothing or lockdowns?

Are they too thick to see there are steps in between that can help?
 
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