swordtrombonefish
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Is that a euphemism?I pandered someone's ignorance in an echo chamber once and it was awful.
Is that a euphemism?I pandered someone's ignorance in an echo chamber once and it was awful.
You make some very informed points. I think the point of their name doesn't really suggest they think we could 'Just Stop' however, Rather, it expresses the exaggeration at the endless foot dragging by governments in hock to fossil fuel lobbies or driven by short term electoral calculation. The direct action they take reinforces this exasperation: it's designed to cause a spectacle, to get up people's noses.The thing I don't get is what they're actually protesting, it doesn't seem efficient or realistic. If they protested other things it may do a lot more good, and actually help their aim (the environment) much more.
We can't "just stop oil", if we did just stop we would all likely starve within a few months,
Assaulted in broad daylight yet he stays on message, what a good lad.
An enraged motorist has punched and kicked a Just Stop Oil activist holding up traffic in central London.In footage shared with TalkTV, the driver can be seen getting out of his car to confront the activists during a slow-march.He then punches a protester, knocking him to the floor before kicking his head and shouting: "You f****** little s***".A woman, who appeared to have come from the same car as the attacker, attempts to break up the fight while looking visibly upset.Reacting to the incident on their website, Just Stop Oil said: "At 8:20am, on the opposite side of Cromwell Road to the march, a driver crashed their Mercedes into another vehicle.”Speaking after he was assaulted, Daniel Knorr, 21, a student from Oxford, who gained notoriety after being carried off the pitch at Lords by Johnny Bairstow, said:"I haven’t said anything to the police and I don't plan to, but I'm afraid that the police might go after this man. I feel no ill sentiment or ill will against him. It’s a difficult situation for anyone to be in and it's bound to create frustration. I can tell with the fact that he’d just been in a car accident, he was very stressed.”
I don't know why anybody is taking issue with what I've posted .. A very one sided thread at the start with people just assuming someone has got annoyed with the protestors and lamped one .. I've then provided context as to WHY he did it according to reports .. but because it doesn't fit with the desired narrative .. people decide to get funny ..I'd say, and I could be wrong.... but maybe saying this message board is an echo chamber on a thread with lots of different posters putting forward wildly different opinions isn't the most intelligent use of a post I've seen on here.
But like I say, I could be wrong!
I don't know why anybody is taking issue with what I've posted .. A very one sided thread at the start with people just assuming someone has got annoyed with the protestors and lamped one .. I've then provided context as to WHY he did it according to reports .. but because it doesn't fit with the desired narrative .. people decide to get funny ..
So I'll leave it to you all to it.
So his pregnant wife at the scene at their crashed car is just a coincidence, huh?Sounds to me like the guy got annoyed with the protesters and lamped one. You adding some kind of context to this implies that you are trying to justify his actions. The context adds nothing, with it or without it the guy committing the assault does so illegally and behaves like a prize pr*ck.
As usually though, some vigilante assaulting JSO has furthered their cause. It will get even more media coverage now, even some sympathy from some. It will make JSO carry on, not give up. So the guy is a double idiot as he’s helped them in a roundabout way.
I do hope that the cops track the guy down, with that footage they surely don’t need a complaint from the nice chap who was assaulted. He should go to jail for that unprovoked assault.
Well I don't think there's single JSO protester who would be happy - or would imagine - that a woman might lose her baby because of one of their protests. They price in inconveniencing people for sure, especially motorists, but also sports fans etc. But their response would be that global warming threatens to do more than inconvenience a few people, it threatens to devastate the planet.after the dreadful few years everybody has haas the last thing you need is these people causing further disruption to our lives. Obviously the guy went over the top but the public should make it uncomfortable for these people - they have no empathy for what others are going through and are a self righteous bunch of clowns - what if the fellas wife lost her baby - There are many ways they could protest which doesn’t involve upsetting other peoples lives.
There was some kind of 'ism' involved. I think that particular 'ism' began with the letter J.Is that a euphemism?
Clearly not jingoism thenThere was some kind of 'ism' involved. I think that particular 'ism' began with the letter J.
A gentleman never tells.Clearly not jingoism then
Hopefully, but he's also provided a martyr for the GB News culture warriors who will now be mounting a campaign to keep him out of jail. No doubt Sunak and Braverman will be on it saying that while they 'don't condone his actions they can understand people's frustrations' [at these lawbreaking hippy types who want to stop you, Joe Public, DRIVING YOUR CAR that you've WORKED HARD - unlike these soap-dodging tw*ts -- TO BUY]. More grist to the Culture War mill - the Tories' only remaining hope...As usually though, some vigilante assaulting JSO has furthered their cause.
So his pregnant wife at the scene at their crashed car is just a coincidence, huh?
Ok.
Hopefully, but he's also provided a martyr for the GB News culture warriors who will now be mounting a campaign to keep him out of jail. No doubt Sunak and Braverman will be on it saying that while they 'don't condone his actions they can understand people's frustrations' [at these lawbreaking hippy types who want to stop you, Joe Public, DRIVING YOUR CAR that you've WORKED HARD - unlike these soap-dodging tw*ts -- TO BUY]. More grist to the Culture War mill - the Tories' only remaining hope...
What's that got to do with me or with me providing more information than the original BBC news report had? I've provided more context. That's it.I‘m sure the judge will let him off cos she was knocking around.
A minor point on ULEZ generally...the objective isn't to restrict movement. Just limit the amount of higher polluting vehicles in areas with high densities of people. Public transport, cycling and walking are still allowed.And yet there is no conclusive evidence that lowering man made carbon emissions will lower temperatures. It’s not like we haven’t had periods of warm weather in the past, before the Industrial Revolution, but not that long ago (relatively) in history - the Middle Ages for example were warmer than the current period. What we do know is that “climate change” will be used as an excuse to tax us more, be used as an excuse to limit our movement by restricting or even removing private vehicle ownership and very probably limited chance of ordinary folk travelling abroad. Wait till carbon scoring comes in as a means of deciding where you can travel to, then we’ll see how many on here are clapping just stop oil when they can’t go to an away game because they’ve used all their carbon credits for the month - it’s coming trust me. We’re already seeing 15 minutes cities spring up with the idea of restricting everyone’s travel to their own little space inside each city. Liverpool council have only today announced they have approved plans to split the city up into 13 “zones”, and just about every council in the country has already committed to doing the same. Look at all the ULEZ cameras springing up everywhere - driving your own car will soon be a luxury reserved for the rich or privileged, the rest of us will be severely restricted on where we can go
I don't see these protestors outside the "big pharma" sites or perhaps the semiconductor factories in various cities-- why don't they create a human shield around the entrances to these location?. While their protest is meaningful their energy perhaps is aimed at the wrong people and therefore this punch-up was bound to happen, with no doubt more to follow.Worlds going wild throwing out 50C in places it shouldn’t and mad forest fires and all that ****, I don’t give a **** if it’s man made or not but the people protesting genuinely believe they are trying to save yours and your kids/grandkids lives. @JM14 @Redka , even if you think they’re thick as **** and causing *****, remember that they are doing something they think will help you and your kids whilst you @Redka are wishing violence on them for doing it.
I think the oil boys are stupid as **** and targeting the wrong dynamic completely and agree with JM and Redka that they are pushing people away from their cause.
They should protest on the politicians doorsteps and should pay to hire the blokes they are ******* off to go give the politicians a ‘couple of beatings so they know what they are doing is wrong’ as @Redka said. **** them
Is not but it adds nothing. You are excusing an assault of an innocent man. That's the context you are providing. And I am ignorant and require pandering?What's that got to do with me or with me providing more information than the original BBC news report had? I've provided more context. That's it.
The guy lamped one of the protestors after his pregnant wife had been involved in a car crash after coming across the JSO protestors on a busy road. Them are the facts.
I'm not saying he was right to do it. I've not said I support what he did. I just provided the extra context.
Why is extra context and information such an issue for people?
This is where I’m at. Only a fool would discredit their intentions, it just doesn’t seem as though they’re winning many fans. I have no issue with them disrupting sporting events where people’s lives aren’t at stake etc.I also admire the fact JSO at least have the courage of their convictions. Is it the right way to go about it? Not sure