Congratulations, Sir. You've won the speedboat and I'll even throw in a bendy bully.
Keir Starmer
- Thread starter GibbosEmpire
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Scrote
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From October 1st to October 6th >450 Palestinians were injured in Gaza and the West bank. 12 with live ammunition. 1 killed. The idea that there was a cessation of violence leading up to the 7th October is just a fantasy.
Quite. And so it did.
No, but I don't pretend there's one party responsible for causing the current escalation. If the Israeli government and the IDF hadn't continually terrorised Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank then maybe Hamas could be legitimately blamed. However, that still wouldn't explain the escalation in violence from the Israeli government and IDF in the West Bank.
coluka
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Britain aren’t currently bombing anyone as far as I know, you seem another one that thinks I am happy with what Israel are doing, you must have missed the bits about Netanyahu and his army facing war crime charges, still, lets not let a few mistakes misunderstand the reality that Hamas and Netanyahu’s army are BOTH CULPABLE.
HolgateCorner
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Let’s be honest the western world and particularly Britain (with its historic involvement in Palestine) is in a complete mess with their so called ‘good guy’ committing all sorts of war crimes.
GibbosEmpire
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We sell arms and missiles to Israel who have killed over 4,000 Palestinian babies
Corbyn wanted to put a stop to that, the flippin' lunatic!
coluka
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There was no war prior to the 7th, there has always been occasional skirmishes for as long as i can remember, how many Israelis were injured in the month prior to the 7th? no doubt it is only one sides fault though is that what you believe, you give that impression.
Neither do I pretend one party are causing the current situation either, be in no doubt about that. You just proved my point, editing snippets and not looking at the bigger picture Hamas and Netanyahu and his army are both culpable, but you don’t seem to want to blame Hamas for anything, bless em eh. You choose to believe what you will, you wont see Hamas agreeing a ceasefire with anyone as nobody openly negotiates with terrorists in the west i believe, well I take that back, we did with the IRA, but Hamas and Israel sit round a table and shake hands… Never will either party trust the other. The poor Palestinians and Israelis both suffer, at the hands of criminals.
Otto42
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To do that he would have to get elected first wouldn’t he?!
coluka
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We do, sell arms, as I am sure many countries do sell them arms. We should stop selling arms immediately and let other nations get rich doing it, while our own arms industry shuts down leaving he UK more at risk and less well off. It would make Vlad the lad happy if we shut our industry down and made citizens redundant, good plan.
gizasqueezemister
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Anyone of any relevance or just the usual suspects?
He nearly did in 2017. Us loony hard left extremists, eh? Wanting to stop selling weapons to Israel and Saudi Arabia so that we wouldn't be complicit in the slaughter of thousands of civilians. What a bunch of **** we are!
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GibbosEmpire
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Honestly I'd rather be less well off if it meant we didn't participate in the killing of kids, dunno about you.
GibbosEmpire
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Also how does the average joe in Britain benefit from an arms company selling arms to other countries? Let me know when my cheques in the post
coluka
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The trouble is you might be more vulnerable to a war involving the UK if we don’t have a defence industry, maybe yours and my kids will thank us for that though. Great plan, you do realise we are not in the top 5 arms providers who deal in 3/4 of the worlds arms trade i suppose?
“The top five-arms exporters – the USA, Russia, France, China and Germany - which account for over three-quarters of the global arms trade, together sold an estimated $85 billion worth of arms yearly”
Scrote
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Israeli injuries: 13 (of which 7 were soldiers and 6 were settlers)
Israeli fatalities: 0
Palestinian injuries: 1166 (99 live ammunition and 1 air-dropped explosive)
Palestinian fatalities: 14 (3 children)
If you're allowing one side to define when a prolonged period of conflict can be called 'war', then you're taking sides.
If you're running with a narrative that Hamas broke a ceasefire, then you're taking sides (or at least being sucked in by propaganda).
The collective West was horrified on 7th October because white-ish, european-ish civilians died. Understandable, but lets not kid ourselves that there's any more to it than that.
Israel can stop the violence. They have the upper hand and neither were or are in any real danger from Hamas. How they dropped the ball so badly on the 7th is going to be talked about for a long time and I'm happy to take everything I see online with a pinch of salt.
Hamas are to blame for their actions. But the palestinian people are not.
thewanderer
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Imagine being this close to power and potentially throwing all away over a vote for something of which you absolutely no influence and that neither of the parties involved are going to do what you want. Embarrassing.
Jeez. It's mad where Corbyn derangement syndrome will send people sometimes. The opinions they'll contort themselves into having just to make sure they're not agreeing with the "loony" left.
Of all the votes for Starmer to ' look strong and in charge ' with ... This ?
Allow a non whipped vote ..
Even if people argue that a humanitarian pause / ceasefire is the same thing.. .
Why would you look to sack some strong MPs , with very decent majorities .. over this vote ( which was never gonna pass )
Allow a non whipped vote ..
Even if people argue that a humanitarian pause / ceasefire is the same thing.. .
Why would you look to sack some strong MPs , with very decent majorities .. over this vote ( which was never gonna pass )