Ken Loach expelled from the Labour Party

free_pint said:
Ben, you're telling others to read the report when it appears you've not read any of it yourself.. BBG is actually advising what's in it and you're just totally ignoring what he's said..
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I've read it. He's being disingenuous. LOTO office was not exonerated, quite the opposite, they were held responsible and were specifically mentioned that the issue could have been dealt with had they had the inclination to do so.

The need for the report its self says it all really.

It doesn't really matter now what some people want to think. The issue is dealt with. It's over. Left wing anti semitism is not welcome in the Labour Party. An obsession with Israel is not welcome.
 
free_pint said:
I'm no longer a labour member, but a Blair/Starmer supporting hack emailed my work to complain about my behaviour as I openly supported my friend and Young Labour Chair Jess. He literally spent an age searching through Google to find my details, my address, my work etc.

So **** your much more vile under Corbyn bull. I never got anything but love from Corbyn supporters, I'm getting threats to my work from Starmer supporters.
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Sorry to hear. I can assure it happened under Corbyn, in a physical nature as well as online and as hate crime ending in prosecutions. Hope you're ok.
 
Redben said:
Go read the EHRC report on anti semitism in the Labour Party if you want cold hard facts. That's the European Human Rights Court. No lies, no fabricaction, no exaggeration.

The simple answer is this is the Labour Party, the anti racist Party. We are meant to hold ourselves to a higher standard. The tories did receive plenty of clamour re islamophobia but responding to proven evidence of racism in the Labour Party by saying but what about the tories is just bizarre and straightforward yet very weak whattaboutery. We are expected to do better so when Starmer say there will be a zero tolerance to anti semitism and all other forms of racism that should be taken as red not pushed back against by our own. It should be applauded, accepted and understood if we are truly an anti racist party.
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FFS! The EHRC is the Equality and Human Rights Commission. It was hopelessly conflicted and an inappropriate body for producing an independent report.
 
JackG said:
FFS! The EHRC is the Equality and Human Rights Commission. It was hopelessly conflicted and an inappropriate body for producing an independent report.
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Yes Equality. My bad. Key word there really isn't it.

Just because you don't like what's in it doesn't mean the body that reported it is questionable. The party accepted it. It has legal standing. Done.

Corbyn kept saying zero tolerance to anti semitism but didn't mean it. Starmer does. People seem upset that something stated by Corbyn is actually being enacted on by Starmer.
 

Over 75% vote for strike action as unionised Labour staff say ‘Enough is enough’​

The party supposed to represent workers will now see strike action over its abuse of staff and squandering of resources​

More than three out of four unionised Labour staff have voted for strike action over the party’s threat to make 90 staff – around a quarter of its workforce – redundant because Labour’s new management has squandered the healthy bank balance built up by former leader Jeremy Corbyn and his team with the support of hundreds of thousands of members.

Around 150,000 members – perhaps more – have quit the party in disgust at the new leadership, while Keir Starmer and David Evans have failed to convince the rich donors they have been pursuing that Labour is worth their money. In addition, Labour has thrown away money it clearly could not afford, paying huge settlements to right-wing former staff in a case its lawyers said it would almost certainly win.

GMB and Unite members had voted two weeks ago to take a ballot for industrial action – and their overwhelming yes vote now will have the backing of all the genuine Labour movement against the mini-me dictators currently destroying the party.

It is one more shameful episode in a year and a half of disgrace for a party that was until so recently great and has been destroyed by those who claimed they would be twenty points ahead of the Tories under anyone but Corbyn.
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Breaking: over 75% vote for strike action as unionised Labour staff say ‘Enough is enough’

The party supposed to represent workers will now see strike action over its abuse of staff and squandering of resources More than three out of four unionised Labour staff have voted for strike acti…
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From Labour.org

'The party’s poor financial state is a result of drastic membership decline and the settling of antisemitism cases.'

You could argue the job losses are because of Corbyns inaction on antisemitism.
The membership is down by 10% since Corbyn left, but above 2016. I would argue that is the £10 Trots.

Labour membership is greater than the combined of all other parties.


Current membership
PartyTotal current membershipDate
Labour495,961November 2020
Conservatives200,00027 March 2021
SNP125,534December 2018
Liberal Democrats120,8456 September 2019
 
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Same_as_before said:
From Labour.org

'The party’s poor financial state is a result of drastic membership decline and the settling of antisemitism cases.'

You could argue the job losses are because of Corbyns inaction on antisemitism.
The membership is down by 10% since Corbyn left, but above 2016. I would argue that is the £10 Trots.

Labour membership is greater than the combined of all other parties.


Current membership
PartyTotal current membershipDate
Labour495,961November 2020
Conservatives200,00027 March 2021
SNP125,534December 2018
Liberal Democrats120,8456 September 2019
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What's the current membership of the Labour party?
 
Same_as_before said:
You could argue the job losses are because of Corbyns inaction on antisemitism.
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Nah, not in any serious way you couldn't. It'd have to be very motivated reasoning that. The membership tripled under Corbyn and now it's falling off a cliff under Starmer.

As I said in an earlier post. For anyone on the Labour right, you've got what you want. Your mob are in complete control of the party and doing everything they can to ensure the left never have any say again. You can't complain if left wing voters drift away.
 
SuperStu said:
Nah, not in any serious way you couldn't. It'd have to be very motivated reasonig that. The membership tripled under Corbyn and now it's falling off a cliff under Starmer.

As I said in an earlier post. For anyone on the Labour right, you've got what you want. Your mob are in complete control of the party and doing everything they can to ensure the left never have any say again. You can't complain if left wing voters drift away.
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I would never say I was of the right, all I want, mob or not. Is to win. I was the same under Corbyn.

When you say the membership trippled are you saying there was 1.2 to 1.5 million,?

The article I attached must be a lie then.
 
bear66 said:
When did it make the statement the membership was over half a million?

"The weather is sunny" is a lovely statement which I made a few weeks ago . . .
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It's on their front page, I assume it's today.

I was never trying to make a point, I simply laid the stats as they are shown.

If you don't like them and don't show what you want find better data and put it up.

Where did you find 420,000 is that date labelled?
 
Same_as_before said:
When you say the membership trippled are you saying there was 1.2 to 1.5 million,?
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The problem here is that you are looking at the wrong figures ie. you are looking at the membership figures now and deducing that if the numbers had tripled under Corbyn then they must have risen to 1.5 million. This is to assume that everyone who joined because of Corbyn has now left.

The correct figures to look at are the figures before and after Corbyn took over.

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And these figures show that member numbers before Corbyn won the leadership were 198,000 and that by Jan 2018 that had risen to 552,000 which is about 178.8% increase or a kick up the a**e off triple.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
The problem here is that you are looking at the wrong figures ie. you are looking at the membership figures now and deducing that if the numbers had tripled under Corbyn then they must have risen to 1.5 million. This is to assume that everyone who joined because of Corbyn has now left.

The correct figures to look at are the figures before and after Corbyn took over.

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And these figures show that member numbers before Corbyn won the leadership were 198,000 and that by Jan 2018 that had risen to 552,000 which is about 178.8% increase or a kick up the a**e off triple.
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Cheers that makes sense.
 
Same_as_before said:
It's on their front page, I assume it's today.

I was never trying to make a point, I simply laid the stats as they are shown.

If you don't like them and don't show what you want find better data and put it up.

Where did you find 420,000 is that date labelled?
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It was from an article in the Times on 21 July 2021 and widely reported elsewhere. Great news that over 80,000 new members have joined in 6 weeks. Hopefully they have now halted the redundancies caused by their precarious financial position.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
The problem here is that you are looking at the wrong figures ie. you are looking at the membership figures now and deducing that if the numbers had tripled under Corbyn then they must have risen to 1.5 million. This is to assume that everyone who joined because of Corbyn has now left.

The correct figures to look at are the figures before and after Corbyn took over.

View attachment 23965

And these figures show that member numbers before Corbyn won the leadership were 198,000 and that by Jan 2018 that had risen to 552,000 which is about 178.8% increase or a kick up the a**e off triple.
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Also worth noting here is that during the period when there was a massive rise in membership numbers there was also a decrease by percentage of members with anti-Semitic tendencies:-

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demonstrating that Corbyn supporters are less likely to hold A/S views than existing Labour supporters.
 
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