Long covid - the ticking time bomb

[Alzi]

And when it leads to long covid as is likely with repeated infections?

I still don’t think there’s much we can do other than keep encouraging people to use their common sense to reduce the infection risk.

I’m not sure what alternative there is?

The horse has bolted, there is no shutting the stable door.

 

[Randy]

@Randy it is almost certainly post viral. The problem is that currently this virus runs through the population repeatedly unlike many others before it.

Maintaining some basic protections/ public health messages would be sensible. Promoting those that are ill to not be at work would be a start- thats soon gone out the window.

Better filtration is also cheap and remarkably effective- for general public health too.

Vaccinate those in need.

You don't have to lockdown to be pragmatic with a still relatively unknown viral illness. These measures are generally also good for public health.

I agree sick pay needs looking at and increasing.
We still stock hand sanitizer aswell as the usual hand washing facilities at work out the front and out the back for example too.

 

[Emmersons_BrazillianDong]

@Randy it is almost certainly post viral. The problem is that currently this virus runs through the population repeatedly unlike many others before it.

Maintaining some basic protections/ public health messages would be sensible. Promoting those that are ill to not be at work would be a start- thats soon gone out the window.

Better filtration is also cheap and remarkably effective- for general public health too.

Vaccinate those in need.

You don't have to lockdown to be pragmatic with a still relatively unknown viral illness. These measures are generally also good for public health.

Good post

 

[sherlock]

I agree sick pay needs looking at and increasing.
We still stock hand sanitizer aswell as the usual hand washing facilities at work out the front and out the back for example too.

Hand sanitising is only minimally effective. Covid is airborne. Most transmission is airborne. That’s why ventilation and air filtration is so important.

 

[BobUpnDown]

Hand sanitising is only minimally effective. Covid is airborne. Most transmission is airborne. That’s why ventilation and air filtration is so important.

I did read somewhere way back when, that there had been zero noted cases of transmission via surface contact.. I think they were looking particularly within health service buildings & surfaces..

The amount of people who cough & sneeze without covering their mouths / nose is unreal.. like there'd not been a pandemic.. peoples general level of hygiene & esp with regard to others is very low..

 

[sherlock]

I did read somewhere way back when, that there had been zero noted cases of transmission via surface contact.. I think they were looking particularly within health service buildings & surfaces..

The amount of people who cough & sneeze without covering their mouths / nose is unreal.. like there'd not been a pandemic.. peoples general level of hygiene & esp with regard to others is very low..

It’s a lack of personal responsibility to an extent, exacerbated by the fact people have convinced themselves there’s nothing we can do so hey ho.

As we’ve seen on this thread.

 

[steve0]

People are still having boosters in the UK so for us there would be data, if it is clear there is an advantage it is worth showing it, for people like me who through work can have a ongoing boosters if desired but feel reluctant for various reasons. I am not completely adverse to them I just want data I can check and make a decision.

Problem there is that those of us that are CEV and have had boosters may/will also have different socialising thresholds/behaviours that will inevitably skew any attempts at comparison with the rest of the population

 

[sherlock]

Anyone who thinks there is no cause for concern really isn’t thinking hard enough, as this Twitter thread clearly shows:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653120535159504900

 

[Muttley]

Just recovering from my second bout of COVID.

I confess that it was no worse than a bad cold. Felt a little woozy on Tuesday last, unwell on Wednesday did a test, never seen such a definite positive line and was producing snot at a rate a wallpaper factory would have been proud of and tired, Thursday the same, Friday bit better, Saturday pretty much OK and feel fine now though my test this morning still had a very feint line on T.

 

[sherlock]

Just recovering from my second bout of COVID.

I confess that it was no worse than a bad cold. Felt a little woozy on Tuesday last, unwell on Wednesday did a test, never seen such a definite positive line and was producing snot at a rate a wallpaper factory would have been proud of and tired, Thursday the same, Friday bit better, Saturday pretty much OK and feel fine now though my test this morning still had a very feint line on T.

It’s the longer term effects from even seemingly mild cases that are the concern.

 

[exeterboro]

Problem there is that those of us that are CEV and have had boosters may/will also have different socialising thresholds/behaviours that will inevitably skew any attempts at comparison with the rest of the population

I honestly don't know what that means, I'm not saying this to be contrary, I just don't, does that mean there is no means of looking at the outcomes in people who are CEV, what about other persons who aren't CEV, I think a few because of jobs will have been vaccinated, can comparisons be done there?

 

[Scrote]

How about official excess deaths standing at 20%?

What does this even mean?

Are you saying that excess deaths have gone up by 20%? On what? The same period last year?

At least give your figures some context.

Do you not think that the crisis in the health service might have something to do with it (and the ambulance issue - no staff or beds to handover patients to)?

Everyone taking the vaccine was originally supposed to be dead within 2 years. Then it was when the 5g signal was sent out with the National Alert Test last week. What's the timescale now and why is it any different to all the end-of-the-world prophecies that have failed to materialise over the years?

How are you defining underlying health issues and what actual figures are there for pre-covid sudden death vs post-covid (or post-vaccine?). What are the figures for vaccinated vs non-vaxxed?

 

[Linthorpe_Exile]

It’s the longer term effects from even seemingly mild cases that are the concern.

This is certainly my experience - I've had two Covid infections but my health has been generally weird ever since the first one.

 

[sherlock]

You know what excess deaths are, people who shouldn't be dying.
People who are young, fit and healthy. There's no discernible reason for their sudden and untimely demise. Except for the one thing that nobody dare mention.
You cowards absolutely love it still, you refuse to see what's right in front of you.
These are the 'official' figures released by the government that you bow down to.
Imagine if any of you actually exercised common sense, some level of dignity and self respect, instead of having these covid love ins, still after three long years.
You jabbed up oddballs are dropping like flies, I'd be bricking it if I were you, knowing that everytime I fall asleep I might be another ' died unexpectedly' stat the following day.
Do some research , find out for yourself, it's not difficult, instead of acting like 10 year old girls posting the cliche tinfoil hat pics etc.
Losing the argument? Have nothing to contribute? Call somebody a conspiracy theorist.
Sleep well guys, UTB.

There are excess deaths because of covid you absolute fruit loop.

 

[Alzi]

You know what excess deaths are, people who shouldn't be dying.
People who are young, fit and healthy. There's no discernible reason for their sudden and untimely demise. Except for the one thing that nobody dare mention.
You cowards absolutely love it still, you refuse to see what's right in front of you.
These are the 'official' figures released by the government that you bow down to.
Imagine if any of you actually exercised common sense, some level of dignity and self respect, instead of having these covid love ins, still after three long years.
You jabbed up oddballs are dropping like flies, I'd be bricking it if I were you, knowing that everytime I fall asleep I might be another ' died unexpectedly' stat the following day.
Do some research , find out for yourself, it's not difficult, instead of acting like 10 year old girls posting the cliche tinfoil hat pics etc.
Losing the argument? Have nothing to contribute? Call somebody a conspiracy theorist.
Sleep well guys, UTB.

Think you forgot to call us “shepple”. Baaa.

Anyway odds on how long before admin put “new user” out of their misery?

 

[1finny]

Long Covid - how long?

Surely all we know for sure is - it can last 3 years.

 

[sherlock]

Long Covid - how long?

Surely all we know for sure is - it can last 3 years.

You’re right, lots of unknowns still, but we are certainly heading towards a mass debilitating impact if nothing is done. Think of the impact on the workforce, the benefits bill, the NHS, social care etc.

It’s utter madness that our government are just standing by and watching this happen.

 

[1finny]

You’re right, lots of unknowns still, but we are certainly heading towards a mass debilitating impact if nothing is done. Think of the impact on the workforce, the benefits bill, the NHS, social care etc.

It’s utter madness that our government are just standing by and watching this happen.

Certainly?

Therein lies the problem.
Sounds like you have a strong view I'm guessing others disagree.

 

[sherlock]

Certainly?

Therein lies the problem.
Sounds like you have a strong view I'm guessing others disagree.

I'd say so, yes.

WHO estimate 1 in 10 infections result in long covid.

Now, imagine they are wrong by a factor of 3 to allow for all the people who will say they are doom mongering, and say 1 in 30 infections results in long covid.

Zoe app estimates around 70,000 new infections per day in the UK. If 1 in 30 of those 70,000 result in long covid, we will see 2,333 new cases of long covid a day. That's over 16,000 a week, almost 850,000 cases a year. That's pretty much a mass event, no? And imagine if the WHO are correct in their 1 in 10 estimation. You'd treble that figure to over 2.5 million cases of long covid a year.

You don't think that a significant problem?

 

[1finny]

If it comes to pass it sounds a bit scary....
Depending on how severe or not long covid is in each of those cases and how long it lasts

Of course, it may not come to pass in the numbers suggested