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A simple law change would sort the issue, but under the rules at the time he can keep it all. Morally, it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, but the truth is he got an incredibly lucky break and under the law of the land can keep it. I am shocked it took so long to access it all (given the law/rules).
Change the law so any victims receive at least 50% of any large winnings or make it illegal to play or claim.
 
coluka said:
A simple law change would sort the issue, but under the rules at the time he can keep it all. Morally, it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, but the truth is he got an incredibly lucky break and under the law of the land can keep it. I am shocked it took so long to access it all (given the law/rules).
Change the law so any victims receive at least 50% of any large winnings or make it illegal to play or claim.
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Where do you draw the line though ? Do we say all criminals are unable to play the lottery, and how do you enforce it ?
 
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In hindsight allowing people to gamble when on day release probably shouldn't have been allowed but I can't imagine they'd have withheld his money had he won £10. It seems wrong that someone that has done what he has done can live a life of luxury now but we can't prevent anyone that has committed a crime and served their sentence from being a part of society afterwards whether that is as a pauper or a millionaire. As long as they didn't acquire that money via crime of course.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Where do you draw the line though ? Do we say all criminals are. unable to play the lottery, and how do you enforce it ?
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Thats the rub really, isn’t it! The easiest is probably to ban payouts, but someone could buy a ticket still and leave it with a family member to claim. I can see why the law is as it is administratively speaking.

It is for the law makers to determine, along with the competition organisers any changes, clearly. I am sure anything other than the current situation or a total outright ban on payout would be very complex and perhaps too difficult to manage. If there was a way the victims of the crimes they are serving sentences for could receive a proportion, say for 50% of any winnings totalling over £1K, then i’d be ok with that i think, but i dare say it is fraught with complexity and a nightmare to administer were it even possible. Additionally, some crimes may be victimless and so what happens then, to charities approved by organisers?

It is galling though that such a high profile criminal financially benefits by playing during his sentence, while his victims suffering goes on though.
 
coluka said:
It is galling though that such a high profile criminal financially benefits by playing during his sentence, while his victims suffering goes on though.
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Agreed.

Sadly I’m not surprised a Mason Greenwood sympathiser (@1finny) agreeing that there isn’t an issue and there’s better things to worry about
 
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nowthen said:
Agreed.

Sadly I’m not surprised a Mason Greenwood sympathiser agreeing that there isn’t an issue and there’s better things to worry about.
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So you think an already underfunded justice system should legislate for the one in probably billion chance of this happening again, and that the cost of implementing this legislation is a good use of public funds when there's children starving across the land?
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
So you think an already underfunded justice system should legislate for the one in probably billion chance of this happening again, and that the cost of implementing this legislation is a good use of public funds when there's children starving across the land?
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I have a lot of sympathy and empathy with the victims.

Much like you have sympathy with children starving across the land.
 
He was convicted and is paying for crimes committed, I don’t see why he should lose his legal gambling winnings though?
 
nowthen said:
I have a lot of sympathy and empathy with the victims.

Much like you have sympathy with children starving across the land.
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You didn't answer my question - do you think it's worth doing, given the costs involved and the likelihood of it happening again ?

It's possible to have sympathy and empathy with the victims, as I do, without thinking that them receiving a windfall from the offender would in any way compensate for what they went through, or that changing the law is an admirable use of limited public funds.

It's a knee-jerk reaction to a headline.
 
nowthen said:
Agreed.

Sadly I’m not surprised a Mason Greenwood sympathiser agreeing that there isn’t an issue and there’s better things to worry about.
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Not sure who the Mason Greenwood sympathiser you are referring to is, but the post might make it look like its me to other readers, so can you edit it to be a little clearer as to who you are referring to. Ta
 
I think there already are some sort of laws in place governing future earnings. You get compensation hearings in some matters. Never come across it in a sex case though, and my knowledge of such things is very vague.

I wonder if his victim could make a civil claim?
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Don’t even understand how this is an issue.

He was legally outside on day release. He legally played the game before legally winning.

His previous history and convictions had nothing to do with it.
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Yep. he's an absolute **** for what he did, but he was serving his time and what he did was legal at the time he did it. It sucks that he won, but legally, he has done nothing wrong.
 
nowthen said:
Agreed.

Sadly I’m not surprised a Mason Greenwood sympathiser agreeing that there isn’t an issue and there’s better things to worry abo
coluka said:
Not sure who the Mason Greenwood sympathiser you are referring to is, but the post might make it look like its me to other readers, so can you edit it to be a little clearer as to who you are referring to. Ta
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Yikes Col - could also be me he's referring to as I used the phrase better things to worry about
 
Would they even need to change the law to prevent this happening again?

The national lottery could just change its terms and conditions couldn't they? Or am I being oversimplistic?
 
It’s not illegal for a convicted rapist to gamble, unfortunately, there would be no legal precedent and no applicable law to stop him collecting his winnings. Chances of this happening again in my lifetime are beyond negligible though.

Maybe his victims can take a civil case for damages and take some off him, so some good can come if this….oh just noticed the sheriff has already said the same thing.
 
Weird how one of the victims only decided to sue the guy after he won the lottery :rolleyes:


BTW - That isn't me sticking up for the bloke or victim blaming, just a weird coincidence
 
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