MFC Business decisions affecting the teams future

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TheWolfman

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Rightly so in my opinion the club has moved to a new long term project plan which i think the vast majority had bought into. How do the season ticket prices affect that plan?

It's certainly going to make fans more demanding which will mean more pressure on Carrick and the players. It also puts more pressure on Scott to deliver a certain level of player which i think the fans will now expect.

Gibson and Bauser have really harmed the patient direction of the club with their decisions.

If results don't go our way in the next 3 games the atmosphere is going to be horrendous. The players and Carrick will take the brunt but for me Gibson and Bauser have destroyed any patience the fans may have had.
 
We could soon be back in the Pulis Age at this rate.

Shame, but it looks like another season squandered.

Fingers crossed Carrick can sort out the state of his team and tactics.
 
The model at present is to unearth gems and sell for millions just to keep the club afloat in the championship . At some point the club will luckout with recruitment and then we will be in serious trouble with relegation and administration a distinct possibility.
 
Glover_elbow said:
The model at present is to unearth gems and sell for millions just to keep the club afloat in the championship . At some point the club will luckout with recruitment and then we will be in serious trouble with relegation and administration a distinct possibility.
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Or we discover the next Vardy and somehow against the odds secure promotion before selling him for £££ and securing the future for the club for a few years - that's equally as likely as the scenario you paint there.
 
I would argue that whatever the club does or doesn’t decide to do has no impact on fans’ expectations because the expectation is and should always be to win promotion at the earliest opportunity. You can’t be happy with the Boro being in the second tier in a sporting sense. I expect us to be competitive at the top end as a bare minimum.
 
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viv_andersons_nana said:
I would argue that whatever the club does or doesn’t decide to do has no impact on fans’ expectations because the expectation is and should always be to win promotion at the earliest opportunity. You can’t be happy with the Boro being in the second tier in a sporting sense. I expect us to be competitive at the top end as a bare minimum.
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I disagree. Fan expectation shouldnt always be to expect promotion. Want yes but not expect

I've rarely expected promotion other than last season. My expectations were high, we went for it and should have went up in my opinion. The fact we didnt really disappointed me. This season my expectations have been lower and can see it was always going to be really tough to get promotion. I can kind of accept we aren't going to get in the play offs with the players we have lost. Would i expect us to push for the play offs next season? Definitely so.

Do i want us to get promoted yes, do i want us to be successful of course. Am i unhappy about being in the second tier definitely not i actually enjoy it. The Premier Greed doesnt really excite me which is probably sad i know.
 
I may be in the minority here but a £30 increase this year considering that we frozen season card prices for a couple of years and the fact that we are most probably going to be in the championship so a £1.30 increase given the fact that inflation is probably as a minimum 8/10% is really that bad by the club in honesty, it will be a struggle for me to sort out the finances for me and my family to purchase our tickets at the end of next month but what did the majority expect, there would still of been some who where unhappy of we froze the prices, you can never please everyone, it basically comes down to choice and affordability, what the club should offer is half season cards at both the beginning and half way point of the season and this may register more interest!
 
Glover_elbow said:
The model at present is to unearth gems and sell for millions just to keep the club afloat in the championship . At some point the club will luckout with recruitment and then we will be in serious trouble with relegation and administration a distinct possibility.
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The model for most of the Championship is to have an owner willing to pump in cash while rolling the dice for another season. It's only sustainable if there's a ready supply of mug owners. Gibbo is now the exception in having an emotional connection to a club. Most owners are just speculative investors.
 
TheWolfman said:
I disagree. Fan expectation shouldnt always be to expect promotion. Want yes but not expect
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He didn't say that did he?

viv_andersons_nana said:
I expect us to be competitive at the top end as a bare minimum.
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He's right. We should be competitive at the top end every season. That doesn't mean it's a disaster if we don't get promoted but we should be at least challenging.
 
Just needs more time, Carrick needs better players, club needs to generate player sales, a difficult balancing act, we need to be patient...appreciate it's easier said than done
 
B_G said:
He didn't say that did he?



He's right. We should be competitive at the top end every season. That doesn't mean it's a disaster if we don't get promoted but we should be at least challenging.
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Yeah I expect us to be pushing to go up. Like when new managers come in and say stuff like ‘fans want to see them run around a bit’ and I just think, no I don’t. That’s the bare minimum. I expect them to try and score goals and win games, not just run about. Anyone can run about.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Yeah I expect us to be pushing to go up. Like when new managers come in and say stuff like ‘fans want to see them run around a bit’ and I just think, no I don’t. That’s the bare minimum. I expect them to try and score goals and win games, not just run about. Anyone can run about.
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I feel like "expect us to be pushing to go up" and "the expectation is and should always be to win promotion at the earliest opportunity." seem like 2 different things to me but i guess we will agree to disagree.

Im not sure of the relevance in the last sentence? We probably dont expect to get promoted but this team still hasnt really shirked anything or stopped trying to score goals or win games.
 
TheWolfman said:
I feel like "expect us to be pushing to go up" and "the expectation is and should always be to win promotion at the earliest opportunity." seem like 2 different things to me but i guess we will agree to disagree.

Im not sure of the relevance in the last sentence? We probably dont expect to get promoted but this team still hasnt really shirked anything or stopped trying to score goals or win games.
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I mean in respect of those who use words like ‘development season’ or ‘building season’. The aim is always promotion. I expect us to be pushing for it. I’m one of those who thinks we may still push into the top six this season and will win handsomely tonight. My expectation is that we challenge and compete at the top end. We never used to have ‘development seasons’ under Todd or Lennie or Robbo. They’re a relatively new thing I think.
 
TheWolfman said:
Rightly so in my opinion the club has moved to a new long term project plan which i think the vast majority had bought into. How do the season ticket prices affect that plan?

It's certainly going to make fans more demanding which will mean more pressure on Carrick and the players. It also puts more pressure on Scott to deliver a certain level of player which i think the fans will now expect.

Gibson and Bauser have really harmed the patient direction of the club with their decisions.

If results don't go our way in the next 3 games the atmosphere is going to be horrendous. The players and Carrick will take the brunt but for me Gibson and Bauser have destroyed any patience the fans may have had.
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I guess the distinction is between fans who have Season Tickets and those who don't. I would if I lived in the area but I can't get to that many games these days. I get that any price rises are going to be unpopular and possibly prohbitive for some fans, but for fans in my case not much has changed. The atmosphere in the stadium may change a bit. If we take season tickets out of the picture, then business decsisions would mainly be player sales and investment. I think we can all see that we're cutting out cloth a bit smaller these days but I don't blame anyone for that. In short, I'm still prepard to be patient but understand that sometimes prices rise.
 
Glover_elbow said:
The model at present is to unearth gems and sell for millions just to keep the club afloat in the championship . At some point the club will luckout with recruitment and then we will be in serious trouble with relegation and administration a distinct possibility.
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Administration? With Steve Gibson at the club? How could that possibly happen while he pays the bills?
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I mean in respect of those who use words like ‘development season’ or ‘building season’. The aim is always promotion. I expect us to be pushing for it. I’m one of those who thinks we may still push into the top six this season and will win handsomely tonight. My expectation is that we challenge and compete at the top end. We never used to have ‘development seasons’ under Todd or Lennie or Robbo. They’re a relatively new thing I think.
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Even if this season was a "development season", then you would ecpect things to get better through the season as players bedded in, progressed, learned the system. A few signs would be there that next season is going to be better.

In reality, the football is getting worse and they are giving us little to be optimistic about.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I mean in respect of those who use words like ‘development season’ or ‘building season’. The aim is always promotion. I expect us to be pushing for it. I’m one of those who thinks we may still push into the top six this season and will win handsomely tonight. My expectation is that we challenge and compete at the top end. We never used to have ‘development seasons’ under Todd or Lennie or Robbo. They’re a relatively new thing I think.
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I get what you're saying.

I still think play offs are there for us when we win tonight.

The gulf between teams coming down and the championship regulars wasnt really there under Todd or Lennie or Robbo well not to todays extent.

I think the plan is always to stay competitive but it isnt the end of the world if we dont go up... But back to the original point because we pay the highest prices fans will think it is the end of the world and will demand premier league football and start to vote with their feet if we dont achieve it this or next season.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I mean in respect of those who use words like ‘development season’ or ‘building season’. The aim is always promotion. I expect us to be pushing for it. I’m one of those who thinks we may still push into the top six this season and will win handsomely tonight. My expectation is that we challenge and compete at the top end. We never used to have ‘development seasons’ under Todd or Lennie or Robbo. They’re a relatively new thing I think.
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The financial landscape is completely different these days. Back then we spent what we could to have the best team that season. These days you have to assess whether spending more to achieve no more in the short term is worth it. For example, if you can predict with some accuracy that you won't be promoted this season or relegated then is it worth paying £3m on loan players for the year or are you better waiting until the following year and spending £6m in fees and wages on a permanent player that will improve the team for 4 years and not just one and could be an asset you can sell in the future to repeat the process. The loan player would be gaining experience, and developing, in your team while one of you own players has to watch from the bench. Take the loan player out and give your own player experience and they might develop into a player that is better than they currently are. Then when you are in a more competitive position a few high quality loans can be all that is needed to get you to promotion.

It's just about timing. You can't sprint your entire way around a marathon and if you view getting out of the championship as a marathon that might take you 5 years and not 5 individual sprints then you might have a better chance of winning the race.
 
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