Never offside!

The only feeling I had about the disallowed goal was disappointment. It looked tight in real time so that's good enough for me.
As said above, it's training that the officials need and perhaps some consistency agreed in how they'll officiate.
9 out of 10 refs would probably have booked Hugill for that stupid push, we just got the one who didn't.
Think about what VAR is supposed to be about, namely "correcting clear and obvious errors". That to me does not say spending 5 minutes drawing lines to see if someone is 5mm offside or deciding that routine contact in the area is worthy of a penalty.
Get the officials making more accurate and consistent decisions and VAR, at least in it's human based form, wouldn't be needed. Nobody complains about goal line technology and it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game either.
Then you've got a situation like last week where Edison got injured because the laws made to accommodate VAR made the linesman keep his flag down on a clear offside and the keeper gets injured as the attack is allowed to proceed.
As you can probably tell, I'd nuke VAR from orbit.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Yes that’s true it’s a tough role but we have to face reality that the reffing really is not up to the required standard.

It needs a complete overhaul of standards and fitness with proper use of the modern technology.

Its the only part of football which has not been modernised in the last 30 years.

Player training and fitness, stadium facilities, team tactics, managerial and coaching structures, nutrition and medical, overseas players and coaches etc etc.

Everything has changed and moved forward….except the refereeing.

It’s time to make it better, much better.
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Colgate's just said something similar and it is hard to argue with what you have put. The difficult side is getting people to take up the whistle and receive the abuse that referees regularly take. If we don't get this out of the game, we won't have anyone to referee the games. My own son gave up refereeing due to being threatened on two separate occasions by adults.

Edit: What I would add, one of the best refereeing displays this season was against Chelsea and the ref, who was used to having VAR seemed to relax and made some brilliant decisions.
 
Jedi boro said:
I would I’d have it tomorrow

With VAR we’d be at least 5 if not more places higher as these are obvious “errors” I’m seeing players cleaned out with nothing given. Goals scored ruled out incorrectly.
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Perhaps. But by the nature of our red tinted glasses it is likely that we have missed fouls that we have "got away with" and goals against us ruled out incorrectly. Plus it ruins the enjoyment of celebrating goals. At least our "winner" was ruled out instantly yesterday not after five minutes of waiting for a decision from the omnipotent gods of judgement at Fukkup Headquarters.
 
They are trialling auto offside tech in this years euros that should be an easy thing to do in this day and age seniors on ball and players no ambiguity no drawing lines where you think they are.

Hopefully that removes this incompetence from the game.
 
One thing I noticed about both linesmen was, they were both softies. Both of them had long sleved shirts on, come on it was at least 2 or 3 degrees above freezing yesterday.
Maybe the cold hindered their concentration, it certainly affected the ref!
 
Muttley said:
Perhaps. But by the nature of our red tinted glasses it is likely that we have missed fouls that we have "got away with" and goals against us ruled out incorrectly. Plus it ruins the enjoyment of celebrating goals. At least our "winner" was ruled out instantly yesterday not after five minutes of waiting for a decision from the omnipotent gods of judgement at Fukkup Headquarters.
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I see your point but I can’t recall leaving too many games think thanks ref we got away with one there but I’m feeling robbed almost on a weekly basis.

Yesterday was almost comical how biased he was no yellow card for huggil or the flying keeper assault how can anyone looking at those and not seem them fouls and yellow cards.

we are losing now because of referees and that’s not right.
 
Priv said:
The issue for me is if you dont see it or not sure dont flag. I can understand an official missing an offiside but no excuse for flagging an offiside that isnt one, if they have to guess the benefit of doubt should be to the attacker.
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When I was watching on the tele I thought Crooks was offside and it couldn't be proved differently until there was a still photograph put up on here. The linesman saw Crooks in front of his man and flagged for it. I don't believe he's guessed, I believe he's given what he's seen.
 
lostinyorkshire said:
you dont need var for offsides. Technology is there
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For me this is how technology should work with Football. Purely technology, for example goal line technology has worked brilliantly without a single instance of controversy.
As soon as you add other imperfect humans into the mix it just adds to the problem, because they're just giving their subjective opinion.
Technology works very well in Cricket and Tennis when it is not based on other people's opinions. Just technology.
 
Priv said:
The issue for me is if you dont see it or not sure dont flag. I can understand an official missing an offiside but no excuse for flagging an offiside that isnt one, if they have to guess the benefit of doubt should be to the attacker.
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Exactly
 
The technology isn't quite there. It has lots of flaws and still needs someone to control it. It can't tell the difference between who played the ball etc or whether the ball took a deflection. It still needs someone sat there using it.
 
The Card Cheat said:
For me this is how technology should work with Football. Purely technology, for example goal line technology has worked brilliantly without a single instance of controversy.
As soon as you add other imperfect humans into the mix it just adds to the problem, because they're just giving their subjective opinion.
Technology works very well in Cricket and Tennis because it is not based on other people's opinions. Just technology.
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And in cricket as with nfl the on field official makes a decision and if the tech can’t 100% overrule it stay with infield decision via umpires call.

So the officials don’t get lazy as they have to make the decision first then tech overrules if they were wrong - clear and obvious (remember that)

Not the other way around.

There’s nothing wrong with VAR it’s the muppets that implement interpret it.
 
Jedi boro said:
I’ll say it again we would benefit from VAR massively as the officials in this league are inept bordering on corrupt in places.

Look at the pen call not given again week after week we see this as others gets pens for a lot lot less.
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I will say the game is way better without VAR. You win some you lose some. It always seems to even out over a season. We lost that one though
 
Jedi boro said:
And in cricket as with nfl the on field official makes a decision and if the tech can’t 100% overrule it stay with infield decision via umpires call.

So the officials don’t get lazy as they have to make the decision first then tech overrules if they were wrong - clear and obvious (remember that)

Not the other way around.

There’s nothing wrong with VAR it’s the muppets that implement interpret it.
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Spot on, the refs in this country don’t want it and are making it very difficult, I won’t speculate as to why that may be but in any normal industry there would be a bunch of younger and brighter trainees being fast tracked to sit alongside the older refs and ensure the technology is used properly and fairly.
 
Jedi boro said:
I would I’d have it tomorrow

With VAR we’d be at least 5 if not more places higher as these are obvious “errors” I’m seeing players cleaned out with nothing given. Goals scored ruled out incorrectly.
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...and it would be a miserable experience.
 
Jedi boro said:
There’s nothing wrong with VAR it’s the muppets that implement interpret it.
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I see absolutely nothing to like about it. The premise upon which it is based is flawed that through the use of video replay we can (all but) eliminate referee errors from the game. We can't, we still get mistakes and the compromises made to allow the implementation of it ruin the game as a spectator experience. It's all driven by the conceit of experts who will pore over incidents in microscopic detail to prove that an error has been made.
 
Rather than blame the officials I would look at the performance of some of our players. Yes, we lost Jones to a push that went unpunished but we still had a lot out there to beat a poor Rotherham team. Our passing and movement was slow and we struggled to find that killer pass through a resilient Rotherham defence who are going to fight for every point.

Some of the comments on this thread from prominent posters and grown men are very childish at times.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Rather than blame the officials I would look at the performance of some of our players. Yes, we lost Jones to a push that went unpunished but we still had a lot out there to beat a poor Rotherham team. Our passing and movement was slow and we struggled to find that killer pass through a resilient Rotherham defence who are going to fight for every point.

Some of the comments on this thread from prominent posters and grown men are very childish at times.
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This - we weren't good enough.
 
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