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Cruel, paranoid failing: inside the Home Office

"For Sheikh Shariful Amin, a young businessman from Bangladesh, the moment of disbelief came on 5 February 2015, in the back of an Immigration Enforcement van. Amin had just been arrested in a dawn raid on his east London home. Enforcement officers told him that he was accused of cheating on an English language test. Amin was terrified and humiliated – he had needed the toilet before he was led out of his house, and had to go while a female officer looked on – but he was also baffled. Why would anyone think he had cheated on a test he had taken as a mere formality when he applied for a new visa? He had lived in the UK for nearly a decade, he had a degree from an English university, he spoke English fluently. Surely they knew they’d made a mistake?

“I asked one officer ‘Could you please tell me: do you think I can’t speak English?’” Amin told me recently. The officer agreed that Amin’s English sounded fine. “He said: ‘Listen mate, I don’t know what’s going on at the Home Office, but your name is flagged on our system.’”"
 
bear66 said:
Cruel, paranoid failing: inside the Home Office

"For Sheikh Shariful Amin, a young businessman from Bangladesh, the moment of disbelief came on 5 February 2015, in the back of an Immigration Enforcement van. Amin had just been arrested in a dawn raid on his east London home. Enforcement officers told him that he was accused of cheating on an English language test. Amin was terrified and humiliated – he had needed the toilet before he was led out of his house, and had to go while a female officer looked on – but he was also baffled. Why would anyone think he had cheated on a test he had taken as a mere formality when he applied for a new visa? He had lived in the UK for nearly a decade, he had a degree from an English university, he spoke English fluently. Surely they knew they’d made a mistake?

“I asked one officer ‘Could you please tell me: do you think I can’t speak English?’” Amin told me recently. The officer agreed that Amin’s English sounded fine. “He said: ‘Listen mate, I don’t know what’s going on at the Home Office, but your name is flagged on our system.’”"
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And all in our name. Bas*ards.
 
The rapid move towards hard right-wing Nationalistic politics from this Government is horrifying and the similarities with 1930s Germany are there for all to see. No doubt I'll get some of the usual suspects saying I'm talking rubbish and over-exaggerating etc, or that no such problem exists. THAT is a key part of the problem because if you can't see the similarities it's due to being wilfully blind.
 
WeeGord said:
The rapid move towards hard right-wing Nationalistic politics from this Government is horrifying and the similarities with 1930s Germany are there for all to see. No doubt I'll get some of the usual suspects saying I'm talking rubbish and over-exaggerating etc, or that no such problem exists. THAT is a key part of the problem because if you can't see the similarities it's due to being wilfully blind.
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Problem is those that oppose it are too busy fighting amongst themselves to offer much resistance
 
WeeGord said:
The rapid move towards hard right-wing Nationalistic politics from this Government is horrifying and the similarities with 1930s Germany are there for all to see. No doubt I'll get some of the usual suspects saying I'm talking rubbish and over-exaggerating etc, or that no such problem exists. THAT is a key part of the problem because if you can't see the similarities it's due to being wilfully blind.
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When all is known, it will probably be something that shouldn't have happened and, as victims of a clumsy bureaucracy, they will need to be compensated. But, like Germany in the '30s. Come on.
 
Anton_Berg said:
When all is known, it will probably be something that shouldn't have happened and, as victims of a clumsy bureaucracy, they will need to be compensated. But, like Germany in the '30s. Come on.
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And how's the compensation going for the Windrush generation, is the plan to wait for them to all die?
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Justice Still Not Served In 2020, Say Windrush Survivors Awaiting Compensation

These people are still waiting for compensation, years after the government wrongly stripped them of their rights.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
 
Anton_Berg said:
When all is known, it will probably be something that shouldn't have happened and, as victims of a clumsy bureaucracy, they will need to be compensated. But, like Germany in the '30s. Come on.
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Thing is, it's not clumsy bureaucracy, it's deliberate policy. Do you not remember the 'Hostile Environment' set up by the Conservative government and the vans being sent round with their vile We're coming to get you! messages on the side?
 
Anton_Berg said:
If it was Nazi Germany (even early on) there would not be anything to see.
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It doesn't start with soldiers on the street and concentration camps (though think detention centres and we're on the way), it starts with the demonization of minorities, them being blamed for every common ill, and victimised by governments. It starts with excessive flag waving and nationalism, and those are everywhere right now.
 
Anton_Berg said:
When all is known, it will probably be something that shouldn't have happened and, as victims of a clumsy bureaucracy, they will need to be compensated. But, like Germany in the '30s. Come on.
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For Jewish people read Johnny Foreigner. It's this disregard of a sharp move towards Nationalism and victimising foreigners that is reminiscent of 1930s Germany. Hitler didn't start gassing Jews straight away, he victimised them, blamed them for the woes of the nation. He removed freedoms for everyone. If you genuinely can't see the similarities with what's happening here now then I can only assume you're wilfully ignorant.
 
Anton_Berg said:
If it was Nazi Germany (even early on) there would not be anything to see.
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Anton_Berg said:
If it was Nazi Germany (even early on) there would not be anything to see.
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Government controling the press to control the narrative check

Government introducing laws to gradually strengthen their hold. Check

Rise in racial hatred disguised as nationalism. Check.

You're part of the problem. If not the biggest part. There will always be evil men in this world. It's the people who deny and defend their wrongdoings that give them the power
 
SmallTown said:
Government controling the press to control the narrative check

Government introducing laws to gradually strengthen their hold. Check

Rise in racial hatred disguised as nationalism. Check.

You're part of the problem. If not the biggest part. There will always be evil men in this world. It's the people who deny and defend their wrongdoings that give them the power
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Whoah, whoah. I'm out of here for a while, no use reasoning.
 
The Home Office has been acting badly since Theresa May as home Secretary coined the phrase Hostile Environment in 2012, but since Patel became minister it's a law unto itself. For any government to use such a term as a slogan tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

There was another example of the Home Office's heavy-handed approach reported yesterday. Is it any wonder the rest of europe are taking a cynical approach to dealings with this government, yet their people on here who think it is the rest of europe's fault.

www.theguardian.com

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
HarryVegas said:
Thing is, it's not clumsy bureaucracy, it's deliberate policy. Do you not remember the 'Hostile Environment' set up by the Conservative government and the vans being sent round with their vile We're coming to get you! messages on the side?
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I don’t remember that when was that I’d be interested to read up on that?
 
FatCat said:
I don’t remember that when was that I’d be interested to read up on that?
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Edit: I just found something on it - I did t realise it was so recent I thought you were talking about the 70s or something!!

www.the3million.org.uk

Hostile environment

The 'Hostile Environment' is a set of measures, both administrative and legislative, to make life so miserable for anyone without immigration status, that they will 'self-remove'.
www.the3million.org.uk www.the3million.org.uk
 
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