No cuddling, no board games, no sitting opposite each other for dinner...

SmallTown said:
I have an issue with those who will be spreading a deadly disease at christmas.

I don't know how I can be more clear about why I don't think people should be selfish and not care about the current restrictions to try and save us from Covid
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So you'll be locked away inside your home now then yes? 🤔
 
I can see your sentiment in your messages smalltown but the way it’s presented is antagonising.
The majority of people who are happy they can now see family briefly at Christmas are the people who have followed the rules, and are likely to continue to do so hence their happiness at this change for Christmas.

The people not following the rules don’t give a stuff about changes as they would have done what they want as they are now. These people also won’t care about any message or any harsh truths, they just don’t care.
 
Its not selfish but its incredibly stupid gathering indoors with older vulnerable people this christmas, yes people have their reasons but I dont understand why anyone would put a loved one at that sort of risk for the sake of one day. Makes all the precautions they have taken the rest of the year completely pointless. Especially when the older people are likely to be vaccinated within a few months anyway.

Rather skip it this year and hopefully have everyone sat around the table next year.
 
SmallTown said:
You're on odd, antagonistic person Randy. You accuse me of lying then say you don't care. That's just dumb
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If you take the GIF as anything but a little joke that's on you.

You have the problem with people seeing people over the Xmas period not the other way round.

You can't have a pop at people for doing what government allows them to do when you yourself have probably done the same during restrictions.
 
RandySavage said:
If you take the GIF as anything but a little joke that's on you.

You have the problem with people seeing people over the Xmas period not the other way round.

You can't have a pop at people for doing what government allows them to do when you yourself have probably done the same during restrictions.
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I can, because I'm not going to have a gathering at Christmas, I'm not selfish and I can see the bigger picture.

You see how it keeps coming around? It's my genuine opinion that people who would rather gather than control the virus and stop people dying (because, believe me, those are the 2 choices) "ve seen nothing on this thread to dissuade me otherwise. People being upset at my opinion doesn't dissuade and no one has yet come up with a compelling reason why meeting up over Christmas and more deaths next year is worth it.
 
JM14 said:
Its not selfish but its incredibly stupid gathering indoors with older vulnerable people this christmas, yes people have their reasons but I dont understand why anyone would put a loved one at that sort of risk for the sake of one day. Makes all the precautions they have taken the rest of the year completely pointless. Especially when the older people are likely to be vaccinated within a few months anyway.

Rather skip it this year and hopefully have everyone sat around the table next year.
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What if they're 98, want to enjoy one more Christmas and aren't fussed on the vaccine?
 
atypical_boro said:
What if they're 98, want to enjoy one more Christmas and aren't fussed on the vaccine?
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Suppose it has to be up to the individual at the end of the day, personally I wont be putting any of my family members at risk regardless of age. Imagine its one of the most painful lonely deaths someone can experience. A delayed christmas seems a good trade off when you compare it to that.
 
JM14 said:
Suppose it has to be up to the individual at the end of the day, personally I wont be putting any of my family members at risk regardless of age. Imagine its one of the most painful lonely deaths someone can experience. A delayed christmas seems a good trade off when you compare it to that.
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If they're that old, surely its 100% their choice if they want to be lonely on Christmas Day or lonely when they're dying of covid (which of course they very well may not get) or lonely when they're dying of something else because they haven't seen anyone all year and no one will see them until covid has completely passed.

I'm playing devil's advocate but I think a lot of people are far too binary in their approach. Everyone has different individual circumstances.
 
atypical_boro said:
If they're that old, surely its 100% their choice if they want to be lonely on Christmas Day or lonely when they're dying of covid (which of course they very well may not get) or lonely when they're dying of something else because they haven't seen anyone all year and no one will see them until covid has completely passed.

I'm playing devil's advocate but I think a lot of people are far too binary in their approach. Everyone has different individual circumstances.
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Not like you to play devil’s advocate :)
 
El Guapo said:
How can you dictate what is and isn’t essential to someone else?

Neither of these (my) posts are intended as digs, rather counterpoints to those calling others selfish etc. I just find it astonishing that some people take it upon themselves to presume they can judge and dictate to others what they should view as being or not being essential and have the gall to call THEM selfish in the process. You don’t know anyone else’s circumstances so should not judge or impose. I don’t think anyone here is advocating a mass party of dozens of people but some, for whatever personal reason in line with their personal circumstances are expressing a wish to spend some time with a small number of close loved ones at a traditionally ‘special’ time of year. I won’t be judging or criticising them.

If thousands gather on New Year’s Eve then I would agree that that could probably be cast as Selfish and irresponsible. A small family gathering, not so much.

Also, given the government has relaxed the rules for 4 days for whatever reason then no-one will be breaking any laws.
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I wouldn’t call anyone selfish for thinking that their kids would quite enjoy seeing their grandparents at Christmas but I don’t know how anybody could class it as essential.
 
Paulroddam7 said:
I wouldn’t call anyone selfish for thinking that their kids would quite enjoy seeing their grandparents at Christmas but I don’t know how anybody could class it as essential.
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It’s due to the knock on effects of that meeting that I find it selfish. Not the meeting itself. I agree though it’s not essential
 
El Guapo said:
Do you know the circumstances of the child and grandparents? No. Don’t judge what is selfish and / or essential.
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So, what are the circumstances? What could justify spreading a deadly disease and killing people? I get the meeting if they have less than a year to live. I understand that. I can't think of any other circumstance
 
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