Number of children killed in Gaza compared to other conflicts….

WJH. said:
I was starting to think the west's foreign policy was set in Washington

Well done Macron
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Calling for a ceasfire means nothing. I don't know, but he could be politicaning the situation.

Until western money is withdrawn and countries sanction Israel, whats the point?
 
Boroboyyo said:
Genocide needs people to intentionally be trying to wipe out a demographic of people.
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You don`t need to completely wipe out a people for it to be genocide.

The UN definition states this as -

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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This. Is. Genocide.
 
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Boroboyyo said:
Whatever your stance on Israel -palestine , it isn’t genocide . How can Israel be wiping out a demographic of people when the population is increasing rapidly in Gaza ? Genocide needs people to intentionally be trying to wipe out a demographic of people.
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If you said that about the holocaust you'd be arrested.
 
Boroboyyo said:
Hamas are intentionally putting their bases near hospitals and schools
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Sixteen years of an Israeli land, air and sea blockade has crippled its economy and tightly restricted the movement of its people in and out of the enclave.

it is the most densely populated place on earth - Hamas are the elected govt in Gaza - 6 miles x 26 miles - the government have no room for any manoeuvre for the placing of their offices and departments - everything in the place is near a school or an hospital.

homes are near the schools and hospitals - shops are near the schools and hospitals - petrol stations are near the schools and hospitals - community centres are near the schools and hospitals - radio stations are near the schools and hospitals - grave yards are near the schools and hospitals chemists are near the schools and hospitals - everything is near a school and an hospital.

and whilst the world looks on in shame and horror at Gaza - the occupied (illegally by Israel) west bank is being murdered by the IDF - hundreds shot dead and over 1,000 (hostages?) placed in Israel military cells and prisons.

its genocide - and Netenyahu has said on record that the Israeli response "will change the face of the middle east" - is he saying he will change the Palestinian face for a Jewish one or is he saying the borders and maps will change to suit Israel? either way, its a genocide.

when we say 'NEVER AGAIN' we mean it for EVERYONE'
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
If you said that about the holocaust you'd be arrested.
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Hitler specifically rounded up 6 million Jews and gassed them . He literally was trying to wipe them off the face of the earth . Of course that was genocide . Funnily enough , Hamas and other Muslims in that area would love nothing more than to do that to Jews . A fact the left overlooks . A poster above quoted that the current birth rate won’t have the population increasing , well yes, wars tend to cause birth rates to drop . You’re looking at a specific moment in time , the longer trend has seen a marked increase in the population .The specific dip now wasn’t the case prior to Hamas attacking Israel though . The population has increased dramatically (through birth rates). Israel have the means to raze the city , and have had the means to do so in the past prior to this , but they haven’t. Israel could take the entire area if they wanted (obviously that isn’t right, but they could as the army is much superior to what Hamas could muster up ).

I’ve said my piece though , and can tell it’s not welcome. I’m just of an opinion that both sides are as bad as each other, and irrespective of the abuse that’s coming my way or propaganda that tries to paint anything Palestine =good and everything Israel = bad I will not change my stance on that. I don’t even support Israel , I’m neutral , but its weird to see so many posters point out Israel atrocities and when met with pro Palestine doing the same ( what sparked this all again ) we get loads of whataboutism . Hamas executed on that day people who were vying for peace annd fighting the Palestinian cause that day and still holds innocent people hostage . Many on here simply went “well Israel shouldn’t have done this” when this all happened. Israel was actually starting to call out its own politicians prior to all this for corruption and then Hamas go and do all of this .
 
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Boroboyyo said:
Hitler specifically rounded up 6 million Jews and gassed them . He literally was trying to wipe them off the face of the earth . Of course that was genocide . Funnily enough , Hamas and other Muslims in that area would love nothing more than to do that to Jews . A fact the left overlooks . A poster above quoted that the current birth rate won’t have the population increasing , well yes, wars tend to cause birth rates to drop . You’re looking at a specific moment in time , the longer trend has seen a marked increase in the population .The specific dip now wasn’t the case prior to Hamas attacking Israel though . The population has increased dramatically (through birth rates). Israel have the means to raze the city , and have had the means to do so in the past prior to this , but they haven’t

I’ve said my piece though , and can tell it’s not welcome. I’m just of an opinion that both sides are as bad as each other, and irrespective of the abuse that’s coming my way or propaganda that tries to paint anything Palestine =good and everything Israel = bad I will not change my stance on that
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It's not that it's not welcome it's that it is fundamentally wrong
 
Boroboyyo said:
Hitler specifically rounded up 6 million Jews and gassed them . He literally was trying to wipe them off the face of the earth . Of course that was genocide . Funnily enough , Hamas and other Muslims in that area would love nothing more than to do that to Jews . A fact the left overlooks . A poster above quoted that the current birth rate won’t have the population increasing , well yes, wars tend to cause birth rates to drop . You’re looking at a specific moment in time , the longer trend has seen a marked increase in the population .The specific dip now wasn’t the case prior to Hamas attacking Israel though . The population has increased dramatically (through birth rates). Israel have the means to raze the city , and have had the means to do so in the past prior to this , but they haven’t

I’ve said my piece though , and can tell it’s not welcome. I’m just of an opinion that both sides are as bad as each other, and irrespective of the abuse that’s coming my way or propaganda that tries to paint anything Palestine =good and everything Israel = bad I will not change my stance on that
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So at the moment people are being forced from their homes

Where do you want them to settle because at the moment it will be Europe and the UK
 
WJH. said:
So at the moment people are being forced from their homes

Where do you want them to settle because at the moment it will be Europe and the UK
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The Arab states that are so vocal in their support for them should , but they won’t . Specifically because incidents like this occur :

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Black September - Wikipedia

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Essentially when Jordan tried to house Palestinian refugees , they tried to overthrow the Jordan government in return . They did the same to Lebanon too . This is a big reason why Egypt doesn’t let them in
 
Boroboyyo said:
The Arab states that are so vocal in their support for them should , but they won’t . Specifically because incidents like this occur :

en.m.wikipedia.org

Black September - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

Essentially when Jordan tried to house Palestinian refugees , they tried to overthrow the Jordan government in return . They did the same to Lebanon too . This is a big reason why Egypt doesn’t let them in
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Why would Egypt be expected to take any refugees?

We in the west are experts at overthrowing governments and creating failed states.

So again would you be happy if Europe are the ones to take the refugees?

I think Macron has probably played out Washingtons plans in his head and that's why he's called for a ceasefire

Are you against a ceasefire?
 
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