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Wrong use of VAR, it wasn’t a clear or obvious mistake.

But therein lies the problem with VAR, they review everything rather than just focusing on "clear and obvious mistakes".

If you need to review from multiple viewpoints before making a decision, or someone is a fingernail offside, then it's not "clear and obvious" and it shouldn't be used and the ref's decision should stand.
 
But therein lies the problem with VAR, they review everything rather than just focusing on "clear and obvious mistakes".

If you need to review from multiple viewpoints before making a decision, or someone is a fingernail offside, then it's not "clear and obvious" and it shouldn't be used and the ref's decision should stand.
That's the frustrating thing isn't it, reviewing decisions that are based on opinion, rather than fact.

I actually think the offside technology works, you're either offside or you're not. Whether the rule needs to revised is debatable, but as it is the decisions are a matter of fact.
 
That's the frustrating thing isn't it, reviewing decisions that are based on opinion, rather than fact.

I actually think the offside technology works, you're either offside or you're not. Whether the rule needs to revised is debatable, but as it is the decisions are a matter of fact.

But that's not really the point of it, it was brought in to eliminate "clear and obvious" errors, that's VAR's remit,

If you need to draw a thin line, and focus on someones shoelace to determine whether they're offside, then that's outside its remit as that can not be "clear and obvious".
 
But that's not really the point of it, it was brought in to eliminate "clear and obvious" errors, that's VAR's remit,

If you need to draw a thin line, and focus on someones shoelace to determine whether they're offside, then that's outside its remit as that can not be "clear and obvious".
But it's a matter of fact isn't it and when it is its either right or wrong?

Don't have an issue with the offside technology, because every decision is correct, so no one can argue that some teams have had the rub of the green.

I can't recall one controversial offside decision, which supports the successful use of the technology I think.
 
IMO the offside rule would be better if they only measured the feet. You can’t score with your hand and although you may use your torso or head to score, it’s much less likely. The game is about scoring goals and is being spoiled by going to such fine margins.
 
IMO the offside rule would be better if they only measured the feet.
I think that would be an improvement it would also favour the attacker as when you are running your weight (and therefore your head) is necessarily forward of your feet, it's simpler because there is none of this head, sleeve, knee, bum test.
 
But that's not really the point of it, it was brought in to eliminate "clear and obvious" errors, that's VAR's remit,

If you need to draw a thin line, and focus on someones shoelace to determine whether they're offside, then that's outside its remit as that can not be "clear and obvious".
I've said this before a few times on this board. Should have a shaded out area that is roughly 300mm either side of the defenders line. This area is the "On-field decision" area. Similar to umpires call in cricket.

It would speed up the decision making as well.
 
But it's a matter of fact isn't it and when it is its either right or wrong?

Don't have an issue with the offside technology, because every decision is correct, so no one can argue that some teams have had the rub of the green.

I can't recall one controversial offside decision, which supports the successful use of the technology I think.
How is every decision correct when 1 frame either way makes a difference? How do you know exactly which frame matches when the ball was kicked. If they're going to persist with it there should be a margin for error built in as there is in cricket with umpire's call.
 
I've said this before a few times on this board. Should have a shaded out area that is roughly 300mm either side of the defenders line. This area is the "On-field decision" area. Similar to umpires call in cricket.

It would speed up the decision making as well.
Sorry. I need to learn to read down from the top to the bottom before posting. 🤣🤣
 
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I said when VAR came out it would not solve inconsistent referring decisions, many decisions are still very subjective. It will stop really bad decisons but there are not that many of them nowadays. Te other thing about penalities is really the defender with hand balls needs the benefit of the doubt.

Offside is an interesting one because it involves more than one variable and timings i.e where was the attacking and defending player, but also analysing when the ball is played forward, and sometimes issues to do with interfering with play. When officals are looking at a few miliimetres i.e end of toes and fingers, the gap in the photo frames of when the play was kicked is not completely precise.

The 100% safe tech at poresent for me is goal line technology.

Delays due to VAR are still spoiling some of the instant excitement of football. We would told this would not happen after a few years of its use.
 
I think that would be an improvement it would also favour the attacker as when you are running your weight (and therefore your head) is necessarily forward of your feet, it's simpler because there is none of this head, sleeve, knee, bum test.
I would even say use the torso as the dividing line, so you can't be offisde for just a foot or arm or head - see my other post on photo frames.
 
But it's a matter of fact isn't it and when it is its either right or wrong?

Don't have an issue with the offside technology, because every decision is correct, so no one can argue that some teams have had the rub of the green.

I can't recall one controversial offside decision, which supports the successful use of the technology I think.

It’s not a matter of fact though, despite how they might use technology to make it look as if it is. It’s an approximation.

The cameras are not at a perfect 90 degree angle to the last defender, so there’s a need to approximate the line across the pitch based on the (approximated) position of the last defender. The refresh rate of the video means you have to approximate the precise moment when the ball was played.

The position of the attacker and last defender are determined manually by someone dragging a cursor the the point where they think the lines should be drawn (i.e. an approximation). Similarly, as football is a dynamic sport played in 3D but VAR operates in 2D, it’s an approximation as to where a player’s t-shirt line is in relation to, say, another player’s knee.

FIFA can use all the fancy graphics they like but, taken together, I reckon the margin of error could be a few centimetres. Therefore, similar with other on field decisions, VAR shouldn’t really be used to overrule an offside decision unless there is a clear and obvious error.
 
How is every decision correct when 1 frame either way makes a difference? How do you know exactly which frame matches when the ball was kicked. If they're going to persist with it there should be a margin for error built in as there is in cricket with umpire's call.
Because the technology is always going to be more accurate than the naked eye.

There is still a human element to it, given your point around which 'frame' to use.

Its still evolving of course, much like the tech in cricket and tennis has, so it should improve further still over time.
 
It’s not a matter of fact though, despite how they might use technology to make it look as if it is. It’s an approximation.

The cameras are not at a perfect 90 degree angle to the last defender, so there’s a need to approximate the line across the pitch based on the (approximated) position of the last defender. The refresh rate of the video means you have to approximate the precise moment when the ball was played.

The position of the attacker and last defender are determined manually by someone dragging a cursor the the point where they think the lines should be drawn (i.e. an approximation). Similarly, as football is a dynamic sport played in 3D but VAR operates in 2D, it’s an approximation as to where a player’s t-shirt line is in relation to, say, another player’s knee.

FIFA can use all the fancy graphics they like but, taken together, I reckon the margin of error could be a few centimetres. Therefore, similar with other on field decisions, VAR shouldn’t really be used to overrule an offside decision unless there is a clear and obvious error.
Ok, so it's as close to being factual as is currently possible and significantly more accurate than the human eye.

Its not perfect though, but it will improve in time.
 
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