Potential Usyk v Fury fight for undisputed champion

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JustTheGent

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As a long term follower of Usyk, I always thought he'd prove himself no problem at all in the heavyweight division. He had a reputation for giving much bigger men the business in sparring and it was reported he was was thrown out of a Vladimir Klitschko camp for dominating him. Not only that, but he destroyed Joe Joyce in the WSB. Joyce is a huge man and is regarded as the heavyweight with the best engine (or perhaps 2nd best including Usyk) He couldn't get near Usyk.

Most on here were very confident that Joshua would be too big for Usyk in the first fight. Now many are saying the same thing about Fury. I guess that is a legitimate pudding-head view to have, but it might be worth having a look at the evidence.

In terms of skill and ability, Fury isn't in the same league as Usyk. You can look at both their amateur and professional careers - there really is no comparison. The way they go about their business in fights also reveals a lot. Fury has a reputation as a master boxer (at least against other big men) Yes, he's got some very good attributes for his size; but he looks like a club fighter compared to Usyk. Fury doesn't have any hope of beating Usyk by boxing, Usyk would take every round.

So how would a fight between Usyk & Fury develop? I've just watched Fury v Wallin and I'd expect Fury to take on the same tactics. He was struggling to box with Wallin so ended up continuously walking him down. Take a look at the 12th round, Fury looks like he's pretty much done and is gassing out. That's after chasing Wallin around for about 7 rounds. This is Wallin we're talking about; a lefthander just like Usyk, but a fighter who is nowhere near on the level of Usyk. There a huge difference in their ability to move, defend, think and punch. Usyk's stamina is also elite and he can certainly take a shot or two.

To summarise, it's difficult to see how Fury could beat Usyk, which is why there's a chance that this fight might not happen. Let's hope it does.
 
Fury uses his height/reach advantage so intelligently. I don't think there's a fighter in the sport who can cope with him. Usyk would be his biggest test to date, no doubt about that. But I think it's Fury on points. Not saying it would be comfortable, but Fury will do enough. Having a 6ft9 bloke putting all his weight on you would tire any fighter out over 12 rounds. He works the jab fantastically well too and his movement for someone of that size is excellent.

If that Wilder hammer blow couldn't see him off, I can't see Usyk knocking him out either.
 
Don't think Fury could resist this opportunity and everyone expected he'd be out again to see off whoever came through Usky Joshua II .. was obvious retirement thing was just nonsense

But would certainly make for an interesting one, potentially. As the poster said above his height and weight will more than likely get him through and see it go all the way if he can get up from a Wilder hammer blow, I doubt Usyk would have much luck in the way of doing any damage where that is concerned so will be more of what we are used to from Fury and he will take it on points, most will be going for.

But you never know ... he's a cracking boxer is Usyk ... I wonder what was going through his mind when AJ had that embarrassing rant at him 'you aren't skilled, how'd you beat me ' haha

In all seriousness felt sorry for AJ, the sheer devastation of being shown to be second best once again got to him, he couldn't accept it was real and lost control of himself, and he must have been cringing with regret the day after. He came across as an absolute bell-end Saturday night. I always thought he was a humble, decent guy and would accept it like a man but just lost control, and it happens in any competitive sport. (for what it's worth I don't watch loads of Boxing nor do I follow Joshua's career closely so didn't know too much about him but aye, always got the impression he was a decent guy and he would accept that loss like man) :ROFLMAO::confused:

I remember someone talking about if AJ v Fury happened similarly, in the way that the OP wrote about Usky's skills, saying AJ would be 'all wrong' for Fury but as good as Usky is, I think it is just going to go the distance if happens, Fury victory and probably nothing spectacular :ROFLMAO:

But I do get the feeling it could spring a surprise or two for sure, so that's why I hope it goes ahead
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Usyk beat Joyce on points, although it was a clear win he didn't destroy him.

Watching the way Usyk dealt with AJ I think he causes Fury lots of problems, Fury moves really well for a man of his size but he's never fought anyone that moves like Usyk, someone who sets traps and changes angles so well.

Fury is a lot better at fighting in the trenches than Joshua though, I think he's more likely to be able to manhandle a smaller fighter and fight dirty than Joshua was but I'm not sure whether a crude and basic gameplan will be enough to beat Usyk.

One thing I will say for Fury is that he raises his level when he's fighting a better opponent, I wouldn't write him off based on his fight with Otto Wallin. He's probably had as many fights where he's looked awful than when he's looked at his best.

The other thing to note is that everyone is saying than Fury hasn't boxed anyone like Usyk but Usyk hasn't boxed anyone like Fury either. Yeah Joshua is a big man with power and Joe Joyce is a big man with a great engine but neither move like Fury.

I think its a really interesting fight if it happens.
 
I think Fury shouldn't have too many problems with Usyk. Joshua is overrated as a fighter, Fury is not. I think it wouldn't even go 12 rounds.

Fury isn't stupid - he's seen Usyk and is desperate to fight him as he knows he will win convincingly.
 
I think any proper boxing fan was able to easily see that Usyk would comfortably take care of Joshua. He is an absolute elite level fighter who would only really be troubled by Fury in the heavyweight division. That being said I don't think Fury Usyk is as clear cut as most people seem to think.

I have always been quite fond of Joshua however I thought he badly let himself down on Saturday. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he retires now, I don't see where else he goes now as he won't ever be happy being the "best of the rest"
 
JustTheGent said:
As a long term follower of Usyk, I always thought he'd prove himself no problem at all in the heavyweight division. He had a reputation for giving much bigger men the business in sparring and it was reported he was was thrown out of a Vladimir Klitschko camp for dominating him. Not only that, but he destroyed Joe Joyce in the WSB. Joyce is a huge man and is regarded as the heavyweight with the best engine (or perhaps 2nd best including Usyk) He couldn't get near Usyk.

Most on here were very confident that Joshua would be too big for Usyk in the first fight. Now many are saying the same thing about Fury. I guess that is a legitimate pudding-head view to have, but it might be worth having a look at the evidence.

In terms of skill and ability, Fury isn't in the same league as Usyk. You can look at both their amateur and professional careers - there really is no comparison. The way they go about their business in fights also reveals a lot. Fury has a reputation as a master boxer (at least against other big men) Yes, he's got some very good attributes for his size; but he looks like a club fighter compared to Usyk. Fury doesn't have any hope of beating Usyk by boxing, Usyk would take every round.

So how would a fight between Usyk & Fury develop? I've just watched Fury v Wallin and I'd expect Fury to take on the same tactics. He was struggling to box with Wallin so ended up continuously walking him down. Take a look at the 12th round, Fury looks like he's pretty much done and is gassing out. That's after chasing Wallin around for about 7 rounds. This is Wallin we're talking about; a lefthander just like Usyk, but a fighter who is nowhere near on the level of Usyk. There a huge difference in their ability to move, defend, think and punch. Usyk's stamina is also elite and he can certainly take a shot or two.

To summarise, it's difficult to see how Fury could beat Usyk, which is why there's a chance that this fight might not happen. Let's hope it does.
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Good post kidda, but Fury beats Usyk on points.
 
Imagine Usyk v Fury in huge title unification fight, at Wembley or MSG or even Saudi and Hearn won't make a dime? I'd love that but 100% Hearn will get his claws in somehow
 
Well fury has given them until 1st September to put offers in writing with proof of funds so we'll know by them what's occurring.

Surely someone can get it all sorted by then!!
 
VestasBoro said:
Hearn must deep down be absolutely devasted he tied his colours to AJ and not Fury now.
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Hearn has probably made more from AJ than he would've done from Fury. Chasing the cash in Saudi is much bigger than the domestic fights. AJ got something like £46m for his rematch against Ruiz and over £30m for the rematch against Usyk. Fury got half of that for his last fight. If Fury stays retired or has one last fight against Usyk then AJ will probably have out-earned him over his career.

Neither of them are getting anywhere near the sort of money someone like Mayweather was making though. He made as much just for his fight against McGregor than AJ or Fury will have done for their entire career.
 
Not good vibes from Fury, saying he wants the fight sorted within 7 days and is demanding £500m. His largest purse previously was £25m. Hopefully it's just bluster, but there's history there with Fury not going ahead with big fights such as the Klitschko rematch and Joshua undisputed fight as well as already turning down the Usyk undisputed fight, opting for Whyte instead.

If the fight happens, Fury's height and reach probably won't be a defining factor. Usyk has the skills and speed to offset any disadvantage in terms of dimensions, we've just seen that conclusively in both fights with Joshua. Fury also isn't as good a puncher as Joshua. He's slower, less explosive, less dangerous and more cumbersome; Usyk would likely find it easier to evade punches. If there isn't as much as a threat, that puts less pressure on Usyk letting him concentrate on what he wants to do. If Fury does try to walk him down, he's going to take lots and lots of punches to the head and body that are extremely accurate. It would be a very difficult task to chase Usyk down. His footwork and speed of movement is several levels above Fury.
 
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