Potential Usyk v Fury fight for undisputed champion

JustTheGent said:
If the fight happens, Fury's height and reach probably won't be a defining factor. Usyk has the skills and speed to offset any disadvantage in terms of dimensions, we've just seen that conclusively in both fights with Joshua. Fury also isn't as good a puncher as Joshua. He's slower, less explosive, less dangerous and more cumbersome; Usyk would likely find it easier to evade punches. If there isn't as much as a threat, that puts less pressure on Usyk letting him concentrate on what he wants to do. If Fury does try to walk him down, he's going to take lots and lots of punches to the head and body that are extremely accurate. It would be a very difficult task to chase Usyk down. His footwork and speed of movement is several levels above Fury.
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Agree with some of this. One thing I would say about Fury is he would be much cleverer than AJ in the way he uses his size and is a much better "spoiler" than AJ. He would maybe take a few shots on the way in, but once he got inside he would make things uncomfortable for Usyk. As much as I would like to see the fight, I think it will be an awful fight to watch. Similar to the Fury Klitschko fight. Fury will be doing everything he can to stop Usyk using his skills. He will be holding and leaning on Usyk from the start. I think the way the fight was refereed would be hugely influential to the result.
I don't fight Fury would be able to jab his way to victory. Usyk is far too evasive and accurate.
 
JustTheGent said:
Not good vibes from Fury, saying he wants the fight sorted within 7 days and is demanding £500m. His largest purse previously was £25m. Hopefully it's just bluster, but there's history there with Fury not going ahead with big fights such as the Klitschko rematch and Joshua undisputed fight as well as already turning down the Usyk undisputed fight, opting for Whyte instead.

If the fight happens, Fury's height and reach probably won't be a defining factor. Usyk has the skills and speed to offset any disadvantage in terms of dimensions, we've just seen that conclusively in both fights with Joshua. Fury also isn't as good a puncher as Joshua. He's slower, less explosive, less dangerous and more cumbersome; Usyk would likely find it easier to evade punches. If there isn't as much as a threat, that puts less pressure on Usyk letting him concentrate on what he wants to do. If Fury does try to walk him down, he's going to take lots and lots of punches to the head and body that are extremely accurate. It would be a very difficult task to chase Usyk down. His footwork and speed of movement is several levels above Fury.
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The first intelligent analysis of Usyk Fury I have read. I really would fancy Usyk - as a pure boxer he is streets ahead of any other heavyweight.
 
AC Jimbo said:
The first intelligent analysis of Usyk Fury I have read. I really would fancy Usyk - as a pure boxer he is streets ahead of any other heavyweight.
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The thing is Usyk has to land some on Fury too, to win, and he has absolutely zero chance of knocking him out. Fury's not slow and hard to hit and even when he does get hit doesn't go down, and he'd get back up if a train ran him over.

Usyk's only had three or four heavyweight fights and the last one he only won as AJ ran out of gas, and had to protect his weak chin.
 
I've read on this forum where people have posted big waffling arguments that said that Wilder would have beaten Fury, some were even claiming Whyte was going to beat him and that it wouldn't be an easy fight for Fury...

I know that Usyk is an step up from those, but whoever the opponent is, you'll always have people backing against Fury and he never loses.

I think it will be a test for Fury but once again he'll make it look like another easy nights work.
 
joeydiaz said:
I've read on this forum where people have posted big waffling arguments that said that Wilder would have beaten Fury, some were even claiming Whyte was going to beat him and that it wouldn't be an easy fight for Fury...

I know that Usyk is an step up from those, but whoever the opponent is, you'll always have people backing against Fury and he never loses.

I think it will be a test for Fury but once again he'll make it look like another easy nights work.
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Same could be said for Usyk.
People were claiming Del Boy could beat him with his size. And AJ was going to be too big and powerful.

He put them both away with zero trouble. I think it's a 50/50 fight.
 
Fury never loses? How many mandatory defences has he made and how many fighters as he fought at championship level? You can count both of those on one hand.

Many people used to think that Joshua was unbeatable, once he got beat all that crowd gradually swapped to Fury. There's a lot of them around, plenty on here. But they don't understand boxing or sport in general. They really know nothing about it. They buy into false narratives such as needing to get a knockout, retiring after a loss and fail to understand pretty much everything involved.

Fury did amazingly well to come back after his time off but he could of made six or seven defences in that time. He targeted Wilder because he knew he was a limited boxer and fought him three times. There's no comparison between the way Usyk goes about his business and what Fury does. Usyk jumps straight in with the best whilst getting Fury in the ring seems to a big task that takes a long time.

It's fair to say that Usyk's two wins over Joshua carry more stock than Fury's two wins and a draw with Wilder. Fury was knocked down heavily several times in that trio of fights and he looked in serious trouble in the first and third fight. It certainly couldn't be regarded as easy. Compare that to Usyk who won the overwhelming majority of the rounds versus Joshua and never looked in serious trouble. He took some good shots without going down. Obviously Wilder is known as a massive single puncher but Joshua is a much better all round puncher with both hands and is a much better boxer. If Usyk took on Wilder it would be arguably one of the easiest fights of his career. He'd just keep resetting Wilder with his footwork, very easily.

For me Fury is verging on being a fake champion. He just doesn't have the championship fights on his record to back it up. Now if he goes and beats Usyk, Joshua and a few of the other main contenders when they are at or near their peak, then you've got to think differently. But at the moment the substance simply isn't there.
 
JustTheGent said:
Fury never loses? How many mandatory defences has he made and how many fighters as he fought at championship level? You can count both of those on one hand.

Many people used to think that Joshua was unbeatable, once he got beat all that crowd gradually swapped to Fury. There's a lot of them around, plenty on here. But they don't understand boxing or sport in general. They really know nothing about it. They buy into false narratives such as needing to get a knockout, retiring after a loss and fail to understand pretty much everything involved.

Fury did amazingly well to come back after his time off but he could of made six or seven defences in that time. He targeted Wilder because he knew he was a limited boxer and fought him three times. There's no comparison between the way Usyk goes about his business and what Fury does. Usyk jumps straight in with the best whilst getting Fury in the ring seems to a big task that takes a long time.

It's fair to say that Usyk's two wins over Joshua carry more stock than Fury's two wins and a draw with Wilder. Fury was knocked down heavily several times in that trio of fights and he looked in serious trouble in the first and third fight. It certainly couldn't be regarded as easy. Compare that to Usyk who won the overwhelming majority of the rounds versus Joshua and never looked in serious trouble. He took some good shots without going down. Obviously Wilder is known as a massive single puncher but Joshua is a much better all round puncher with both hands and is a much better boxer. If Usyk took on Wilder it would be arguably one of the easiest fights of his career. He'd just keep resetting Wilder with his footwork, very easily.

For me Fury is verging on being a fake champion. He just doesn't have the championship fights on his record to back it up. Now if he goes and beats Usyk, Joshua and a few of the other main contenders when they are at or near their peak, then you've got to think differently. But at the moment the substance simply isn't there.
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You don’t half talk some tripe, intermixed with good boxing insight.

I still haven’t quite got over your claim
that Pulev has the best jab in the business.

The claims of Fury being feather fister I also thought had pretty much been debunked. Whyte (who caused Joshua far more problems than Fury) would certainly disagree.
 
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