Short Corners: The Facts

eggybread said:
Couple of stats:

Less than 1.5% direct goal from a corner (i.e. where a corner is taken and, with the next touch a goal is scored).

Short corners: 4% more goals and almost 10% more attempts on goal.

Source: https://sqaf.club/goals-from-corners-stats/

Leave off yeah? He knows what he’s doing does Wor Mick
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That's fine but I suspect that most teams use them to change the angle on the cross not to play the ball back and forth between the 2 players involved until closed down by the opposition.
Not bothered whether we play it direct or short but we didn't seem to have a clear plan for what we were going to do when we played it short.
 
eggybread said:
Couple of stats:

Less than 1.5% direct goal from a corner (i.e. where a corner is taken and, with the next touch a goal is scored).

Short corners: 4% more goals and almost 10% more attempts on goal.

Source: https://sqaf.club/goals-from-corners-stats/

Leave off yeah? He knows what he’s doing does Wor Mick
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On top of that, it is also less likely that the opposition will quickly clear the ball and break on us, which nearly happened twice when we played direct balls in.
 
chickenrunner said:
That's fine but I suspect that most teams use them to change the angle on the cross not to play the ball back and forth between the 2 players involved until closed down by the opposition.
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The thing is when you launch a ball into the box, the defence is set, the right number of players behind the ball watching the dangerous spaces, what coaches call "in balance". The defenders have had ample time to get themselves in the ideal position to defend the corner.

Once you play a short corner they are immediately out of position, but still in balance, and if you start passing the ball, they are out of balance too, because they the defence need to move from that central packed box, to cover the width of the field again.

We have changed quite a few players in that side, but once we get it right, it'll cause problems.
 
I mentioned this on another thread but I assume the increased % on short corners is because they are somewhat of a surprise and the opposition aren't used to dealing with them. If you do them as default then that element of surprise is lost and dealing with them becomes routine.

All we seem to be doing is trying to even up the stats by making short corners ineffective.
 
eggybread said:
Couple of stats:

Less than 1.5% direct goal from a corner (i.e. where a corner is taken and, with the next touch a goal is scored).

Short corners: 4% more goals and almost 10% more attempts on goal.

Source: https://sqaf.club/goals-from-corners-stats/

Leave off yeah? He knows what he’s doing does Wor Mick
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That stat for regular corners excludes absolutely loads of goals though.

We scored 4 goals from regular corners last season, 2 of them would not be counted in those stats because the ball was flicked on to the goalscorer.
 
chickenrunner said:
That's fine but I suspect that most teams use them to change the angle on the cross not to play the ball back and forth between the 2 players involved until closed down by the opposition.
Not bothered whether we play it direct or short but we didn't seem to have a clear plan for what we were going to do when we played it short.
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That’s fine if we can sign David Silva or KDB as I think those stats may be very heavily weighted by Man City’s success from short corners
 
Nano said:
I mentioned this on another thread but I assume the increased % on short corners is because they are somewhat of a surprise and the opposition aren't used to dealing with them. If you do them as default then that element of surprise is lost and dealing with them becomes routine.

All we seem to be doing is trying to even up the stats by making short corners ineffective.
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IMO it's because it's fairly easy to get your defence organised for a standard corner. To transition from a standard corner organisation to cover all the spaces and passing lines and free players from a short corner is really difficult, it can be chaos in fact for a couple of seconds, and that's why we do it.

Now we have to get our players better at recognising the free players in the box quickly, and executing the pass, lay-off, runs etc. but for us, I think short corners are a better option.
 
TeaCider said:
That stat for regular corners excludes absolutely loads of goals though.

We scored 4 goals from regular corners last season, 2 of them would not be counted in those stats because the ball was flicked on to the goalscorer.
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even if it's double (up to 3%), then it's still less than short corners at 4%
 
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a short corner at the right time and executed in a way that it looked like we’d practiced then before hand…
We seemed to stick with them despite them not working..
 
BoroMart said:
even if it's double (up to 3%), then it's still less than short corners at 4%
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The stat in that article isn't that 4% of short corners led to goals, it's that there are 4% more goals from short corners than long corners.

If their stat for long corners is excluding every goal scored where there is a touch before the goal, then it's going to exclude hundreds of goals, and the figures won't actually be accurate.

But it's hard to tell because the article is largely just providing unsourced percentages.
 
12 corners yesterday, 7 of them were int eh last 3 mins + injury time and I think 5 of those were lobbed in, so current tallies:

- Short corners 7, zero converted
- long 5, zero converted
 
The stats are useless. Comparing goals scored with one touch Vs goals scored with many touches is a ridiculous comparison.

Here's some more stats. 10% of goals were scored from corners in the premier League last season. Fulham were the top goalscorers. They did this by plonking the ball on mitrovichs head.

theanalyst.com

Premier League Corners: Justifiable Excitement? | The Analyst

A higher proportion of goals have come from Premier League corners this season than ever before in a single campaign. Why is that?
theanalyst.com theanalyst.com

This is also a useless stat. It's dependent on the players the attacking team has. If the ball is passed two yards to William to get an angle who then whacks it in to mitrovich are you calling that a short corner? If an attacker goes down in the box and a subsequent penalty is scored are you discounting that?

In my view short corners we play seem to always end up being passed back. Momentum lost. The crowd lost. Perhaps we can get better at them. Who knows. But don't give us a load of useless stats to back up an argument. A similar misreading of statistics led to teams hoofing the ball in the 1980s. Statistics can be employed to improve sporting performance. But only when used correctly.

If we want to hold onto the ball more work on throw ins. If we want to improve corners have a word with Gareth Southgate.
 
Fans often say “I hate short corners”, because what they really want is a transactional cross onto someone’s head and the net to instantly bulge routinely when their team does it. But the game has developed quite a bit since that was the “best” way to score a goal.
 
atypical_boro said:
Fans often say “I hate short corners”, because what they really want is a transactional cross onto someone’s head and the net to instantly bulge routinely when their team does it. But the game has developed quite a bit since that was the “best” way to score a goal.
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Do any people still think Charlie Hughes was right, there were huge flaws in his data driven blueprint for English football. It was wrong in the 80s and it's 'wronger' today.
 
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You'll never score from a short corner that's not delivered into this box. I 'get' a short corner to change the angle of delivery.

We were playing them short and not even crossing. I've never seen anything like it. Around 8-9 on the bounce. What was the tactic?

I get they have two big unit CBs. Yet it's not like we didn't gave hight.
 
Having listened to some of the comments on phone ins and podcasts it’s nailed on that short corners will be this seasons playing it out from the back.

There will be less cries of ‘put your foot through it’ when Dieng gets it but expect more ‘get it in the fkin box!’
 
Teesste said:
Having listened to some of the comments on phone ins and podcasts it’s nailed on that short corners will be this seasons playing it out from the back.

There will be less cries of ‘put your foot through it’ when Dieng gets it but expect more ‘get it in the fkin box!’
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Our fans need educating, Steve Mac was right then and he’s still right today.
 
BoroMart said:
Our fans need educating, Steve Mac was right then and he’s still right today.
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you can have good short and long corners and a mixture of both is best. Our short corners were poor on Saturday at least 3 or 4 of the short routines the ball ended back at the centre circle with all impetus gone. Our delivery from long corners is appaling and has been sometime good delivery is more important than height look at the whip and pace luton put on the ball in contrast to us
 
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